Tomatoes

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Did you notice that tomatoes are labeled as vegetables?

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  1. Addi250

    Addi250 Seal Broken

    Has anyone else noticed that tomatoes on Stardew are labeled as vegetables while they are actually fruit? I don't know why this bothers me so much... I don't know if it was noticed later on and was deemed not worthy of fixing because it was such a small detail and if it was changed to a fruit it would effect artisan products made from the tomato. It's would be a little odd if you could make tomato wine and tomato jelly... But I honestly don't know if either of those products actually exist (if so that's awesome :rofl:).

    So yeah I was just wondering if anyone else noticed :p.
     
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    • LuthienNightwolf

      LuthienNightwolf Oxygen Tank

      You'll get along just fine with Demitrius. lol
       
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      • Arthemise

        Arthemise Tentacle Wrangler

        If you wouldn't put it in a fruit salad, vegetable. :)
         
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        • Addi250

          Addi250 Seal Broken

          Lol that's an interesting way of looking at it :rofl:, It's not exactly scientific but... I like it!
           
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          • Lilliput

            Lilliput Oxygen Tank

            Botanically it's a fruit. Culturally it's a vegetable. Such is life.

            Stand down, Demetrius. Put the slide rule away.

            We usually just call tomato preserves 'Salsa'. :p
             
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            • Borodin

              Borodin Master Astronaut

              This, from Wikipedia:

               
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              • ChaosAzeroth

                ChaosAzeroth Existential Complex

                Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit.
                Wisdom is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad.

                Or something like that.
                 
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                • Addi250

                  Addi250 Seal Broken

                  That's beautiful... I think I might quote that some time :rofl:
                   
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                  • The | Suit

                    The | Suit Agent S. Forum Moderator

                    It is one of those mistakes that has not been corrected since time memorial.
                    The Official Vegetable of New Jersey is the "Tomato".

                    Which only proves time and time again, "Lawmakers" think they know more than scientists.
                    Instead they know less than most 5th graders.
                     
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                    • ssokolow

                      ssokolow Scruffy Nerf-Herder

                      Cucumbers are also botanical fruits but culinary vegetables but you don't see people arguing as much because they're green and have a crisp texture.

                      Another example where common speech and scientific speech differ but neglected to coin separate terms is "berry".

                       
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                      • TheMediocreMrRook

                        TheMediocreMrRook Big Damn Hero

                        Oh, for the love of- alright. From the wikipedia page for vegetable, literally the first paragraph:
                        Culinarily, a tomato is a vegetable ("consumed by humans as food as part of a savory meal"). Scientifically, a tomato is a fruit, which is still a vegetable (" The original meaning of the word vegetable, still used in biology, was to describe all types of plant"). Tomatoes are vegetables no matter WHICH way you look at it.

                        Now please, for the love of Yoba, stop it with this "tomato isn't a vegetable, it's a fruit!" nonsense. Yes, a tomato is a fruit. It is also a vegetable, and you all just look silly and pedantic without the benefit of actually being right.

                        Also, the phrase is "time immemorial". Time memorial is just time.

                        Edit: Sorry if I come off as aggressive or rant-y, but I literally just had this discussion over whether or not Veggie Tales was inappropriately named.
                         
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                        • ChaosAzeroth

                          ChaosAzeroth Existential Complex


                          I feel like you missed what I was saying some...
                           
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                          • Addi250

                            Addi250 Seal Broken

                            This is exactly what I was hoping for: a heated conversation about tomatoes!!! This is all so beautiful and everyone is learning new things :DD I is so happy :3
                             
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                            • The | Suit

                              The | Suit Agent S. Forum Moderator

                              Such an argument is meaningless.
                              That is like saying there is no point in differentiating a dog and a human. We should just stick to the generic term mammals to describe refer to all such groups.

                              As science evolved we learned how to properly differentiate groups - we don't need to stick to bad and outdated habits, nor promote them.
                               
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                              • TheMediocreMrRook

                                TheMediocreMrRook Big Damn Hero

                                Glad I could help!
                                I... don't think so? You seem to be taking this even more seriously than me, which is saying something. If you're trying to define something in a way that is descriptive and unconfusing, then a dog is a dog, a man is a man, and a tomato is a vegetable - because that's what people will understand, and they are all true. If you're trying to define them scientifically, a dog is a dog and a mammal, a human is a human and a mammal, and a tomato is a vegetable and a fruit - because it's scientifically accurate, and those categories are not mutually exclusive.

                                Defining a tomato as a vegetable isn't a "bad and outdated habit," it's a modern biological fact. I feel like you might have missed the "still used in biology" bit of the section you quoted.
                                 
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                                • Borodin

                                  Borodin Master Astronaut

                                  I have 13 tomato plants, mostly heirlooms, growing on our back deck. There are roughly 80 tomatoes in various early stages coming in, now. I took an informal poll of them. It follows:

                                  We are fruit: 0
                                  We are vegetables: 0
                                  We're just fine, how are you? 80

                                  It's up to everyone here, individually, whether to read this as a win or a loss. Personally, I prefer thinking about all the different flavors I'll get when the different varieties mature.
                                   
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                                  • LuthienNightwolf

                                    LuthienNightwolf Oxygen Tank

                                    I just think of it this way: If I'd put it in a salad, it's a vegetable; if I'd put it on ice cream, it's a fruit. All technicalities aside, I'll just keep it simple. ;D
                                     
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                                    • Borodin

                                      Borodin Master Astronaut

                                      I like them as a side dish if they're really good (ie, I grew them), and if not, then on a sandwich. :)
                                       
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                                      • Gabaw

                                        Gabaw Scruffy Nerf-Herder

                                        holy s**t lol this is one of the most serious tomato threads I've seen. well maybe I've been looking in the wrong places. Did you also know? Tomato rhymes with potato, therefore it is also a potato :rofl:
                                         
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