September 8, 2014

You obviously didn't read my post, or are just very biased and have no way to know how to think the way others do.

How about I put it this way:
Let's just say you love a game, but it hasn't been update.
You bought it because of a promise of it being done, and that it would help the development.
So, you go on those forums for that ONE game, not the developer's forums, and yet you see more updates for other games than the one that the forums are for.
You are frustrated, first and foremost, that there hasn't been an actual update in over 8 months. Then, you see them taking excursions with other games.
You would be even more frustrated since they are using your money from one game, pretty much abandoning the community by not putting out any actual update, and the Official News for that game you bought is official news for other games.

There was only a couple updates during December, one being a large one that took out player wipes, and then one at Valentine's Day where they added in some cosmetic stuff, probably threw a couple lines of code about, and anounced something about a new musical artist on the team. Then, a couple ones with bug-fixes, but other than that, there hasn't been anything. It's not good to leave people hanging for 2 months with a game that is less than half done, nonetheless 8 months.

But, you see, that game isn't something that you buy, that the person gave a release date to, and missed it multiple times in a row.
That, right there, is called a donation. You didn't buy it, you donated your money, willingly, to help developement, or help the developer.

What we did, it is nowhere near donation, so don't even dare compare.
That is like saying that someone scammed you because they took your money (a donation) for a free game..
That is ridiculous! You knew, right then, that you were giving money to the developers, not buying a game.
Free games have no obligations to you, as they are free. Paid ones, however, sorta do.
Not legal obligations, but obligations nonetheless.

Right now, the only relevant thing that I see there is that some developers are unable to finish the game, which makes sense, but is nowhere close to CF. They have gotten, supposedly, $4,000,000 from ONE game, BECAUSE they promised it would be done, and said all of these things that made people wanna buy it.

That is why people think that CF is shady: They promised something that made people wanna buy (I would say at least 20% of people bought it because of that), and then went back on it. It's like WarZ, but since it's Early Access, it can get away with saying that things are planned, whereas these "plans" won't be executed for over a year.

 

Completely ignoring the additional biomes, combat fixes, and the introduction of the nightlies, as well as announcements for other games published, not developed, by CF. Starbound is losing nothing with this. Are you sure this isn't your viewpoint?

I'm not saying CF hasn't had problems, what I am saying is that since those problems have been voiced months ago they have taken steps to address them as well as make decisions to move foward as a game development company. Because to you its planning to spend 15$, to the devs its planning on their livelihoods. To continue harping on older issues and "How many times I feel so betrayed" seems less voicing a valid concern and more grinding an axe.

 

I am not ignoring, as most people don't play Nightlies, most people don't see any updates.
And yes, I am sure it's not my viewpoint, as I have given up on an update close to now, whereas those who would take the side of which I spoke of would be voicing their concerns and talking out about updates in every single official news thread.

 

You apparently ignored the most substantive part of my post, which is criticism versus betrayal. if you don't like the way the game is going, fine, but screaming betrayal makes you sound hysterical. Look at the early access notes "Some developers have a concrete deadline in mind, while others will get a better sense as the development of the game progresses"

As the game develops. Given that there is a new nightly every night, and that the nightly always reflects tangible change in either code or assets, you can't deny that the game is being developed. Hate those developments all you wish, but you have no grounds when it comes to acting like promises were set in stone. Things change. Game development changes. The only thing you paid money for for certain was the game as it existed when you bought it - it says so in the purchasing doc. You can generate all the specious arguments about promises all you want, but your refusal to accept the terms of Early access makes your hyperbole ridiculous.

 

Sure, the nice folk at Chucklefish could have opted for a modular development scheme to make for more frequent updates. They opted not to, possibly to make the code more efficient and parsimonious. I don't know that I agree with that decision; I too would have liked to see more frequent stable updates. I'm also not a programmer/designer.

I suspect the whole team is probably still learning. I certainly would not want to be in charge of planning such a complex game. I hope my patience is rewarded soon, BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T I WILL SHAKE MY RIGHTEOUS FIST AND SHOUT ACERBIC INVECTIVES BECAUSE THAT ALWAYS SOLVES EVERY PROBLEM.*

* = I'm not suggesting that's what forum people are doing right now. I don't mean to parody anyone in particular, just humans on the Internet between the ages of 0 and 120.

 

Get it done.

 

Pretty sure that I heard somewhere that, even though CF is an indie developer, they are all, or at least mostly, veterans in the field.

I am not screaming betrayal, and I never was.
All that I have spoken of is what I see of the general consensus of the nay-saying parts of the community, that wish to see the game developed.
As I said above, I have given up on any updates for at least 4 more months, so this isn't affecting me in any way, but the people who dislike the way Chucklefish is going never quite know how to articulate their words correctly.

They usually either get threads locked and deleted, people yelling at them, calling them imbeciles, and overall having a terrible experience, all because you people have it formulated in your minds the way that you "know" it works.

Sorry to say this, but everyone that is for something can easily throw up some excuses that make sense to everyone in the world, if you take away the "everyone" part.
Same thing happened with the Glitch AI, same thing is gonna happen here. Everyone is way too stubborn to think in any way outside their own, so I am trying to be the medium between these separated grounds, as I understand how both sides feel.

What I am saying, is that Nightlies are only enough for those who CAN and WILL play it, AKA a small percentage of the people out here.
The others? They have been waiting a really really long time for something that was promised. No one cares about what it says in the agreements or anything, so that is kinda a shitty defense.
They were told that the money would go to developement, and almost all money AFTER the first $500,000 probably is never gonna touch Starbound. Sure, it's going to the company and their assets, but people paid because of one principal, and they were decieved about it.
Principals, that is all this is about. Not all this legal mumbo-jumbo or experiences with other games.
They tell us that our money will help development, and that it will be released in 2013, so people are going on their incredibly faulty word.
Is it alright that they did that? I guess. Was it very nice, or at least considerate to everyone? Nope.
They could at least change things saying that it will go to development, or be smart and put no such promises at all.

The least that most people here probably wanna see is a set time for when it SHOULD be done. And CF has to be able to get there.
If they can't do that, then they aren't willing to put enough time into it to hit that goal. Hell, even posting something saying "A lot of things came up, and we are unable to finish by this date, but we now estimate about here" would be good.
All that these people want is a date, a true promise, and at least some way to be able to trust Chucklefish, in some way or another, and they are going about it all wrong.
After all, putting up things that they KNOW will anger the masses is either a jerk move, or one that was not well-thought out. I mean, I get that development is important, but not fixing things with the community will ruin it even more.

 

I have a mixed feelings... from one side, i very love ideas of Starbound, i very like vision of developers, their promises.
From other side i very confused by bad Chucklefish's team, time and money management. You talk about "other games not caused influence on Starbound development process", but it's not true. Why you don't want add additional specialists to your team? You can include this "pirate game dvelopers" into your team and work under Starbound together. I have a doubts that Chucklefish spend pre-purchase money rational. I think that it's will be honestly if you'll be report to your investors about all expenses and profits, so we can see that you are competently manage the development process. We - buyers - is your investors.
I not blame you, i only have doubts, and i want destroy these doubts, so and many others buyers.

 

If there's one thing that makes me want to drop Starbound and go play something else, just one thing, it's all of you bargain-bin conspiracy theorist wannabes.

Well... cry some more, cos it's not workin'.

I'm disgusted by the lot of you, no doubt about it, but as long as I'm not disgusted by the Chucklefish devs and the things they do or not do, you can all drop to your knees and... well, I don't wanna get slapped by the mods, unlike some of you guys, so figure it out.

 

Kinda ridiculous expecting a report of every company expense with only baseless suspicions.

And adding more people to a project team doesn't always mean things will get done quicker. It might even take more time.

 

Ah yes. More effort in coordinating, for example.

 

Here's my take.

I didn't pay 15 bucks for what Starbound was. I paid 15 bucks because I believe in what it might become.

I'm quite happy with my purchase so far. There's so few really interesting science fiction (as opposed to shooter games that happen to involve lasers instead of bullets) games out there. Regardless of what becomes of Starbound, I am pleased to have contributed to the continuation of my favorite genre.

 

well i have olny been mad at chucklefish for 2 things

the 1st being them adding on a energy restricion to the grappleing hook (witch i bet no one here has been around long enought to even remember that argument) till i found out it could be nigated withn a armor upgrade

and 2nd being the 1st nightly upload (when the were going to start) witch they did so im not too mad anymore

and even then i just played binding of issac and other games till it came out, its not hard =/

 

May be, may be. My mood changing permanently. May be i just was too much tired and in depression, so i write such a words. Exactly, i agree with SalmonMax, that no matter how Starbound will look in future - i too paid not for it, but only one what important and for what i paid - its general idea. And really no matter how it's will be, but Chucklefish already make idea alive.
Yes, thank you that opened my eyes.
Good luck, Chucklefish. Be honest with yourself and hold your dream in your hand, keep going to your ideal.

 

Well, the feeling is mutual. But for another reason. You people are so naive. You're defending this company like your life is in balance or something. Weird.
The facts , I mean, these company faults are in front of you but you're still defending.....You either live in a perfect world were there are no fuck ups or...most of you are teenagers that didn't face reality by now. No problem, you'll grow up and face the beatiful live. And you'll stop being naive.

And now a little on-topic, kyren said metadept will arrive in London to help her in programming. Exactly how many of them are moved there? Cause I remember pretty clear the excuses of not developing the game in that period : "WE ARE MOVING IN ANOTHER COUNTRY! THERE IS A TON OF PAPERS TO BE DONE! WE ARE MOVING PEOPLE!!!!"
By the looks of it I thought the whole gang will move to London. So, how many of them are actually there?!

Now full on-topic: Finish Atleast update this game....before going making other games.

 

Well, I think it best I take my leave as I seem to maybe have started some shit that didn't need to be started . . . .

 

@BrakSampson I am disappointed in you. You. You know better.

Everyone else SHOULD know better.