Lore changes?

Based on these dialogue changes it seems like the floran and hylotl don't hate each other anymore.

Personally that makes me sad, I thought that rivalry within the lore was a fun and interesting part of the game, and also the old dialogue was fun.

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"Ghurk!",
            "Back off.",
            "Keep away, foul plant monster.",
            "I have nothing to say to you, scum.",
            "Hey! A Floran! Go away!",
            "It's better we don't speak, Floran.",
            "You're not welcome here, beast.",
            "You may seem civilised but I'm not falling for it.",
            "Please leave me alone.",
            "The guards will make salad out of you, pest.",
            "A Floran. As if this day couldn't get any worse.",
            "Despicable creature.",
            "Why are you here, filthy thing?",
            "Go away, you stink of compost.",
            "If you hurt me, you'll pay!",
            "Martha, take the kids to your sisters. There's a Floran here.",
            "Perhaps you and I can put aside our differences.",
            "You truly are repulsive, Floran.",
            "Look everyone, a Floran wandered in from the swamps!",
            "I've got my eye on you, beast.",
            "I'm outraged at you being here.",
            "Wait, your kind can pilot starships? Laughable.",
            "Leave before we make you leave.",
            "You have some nerve, coming here.",
            "Florans killed my family. Get out.",
            "Wonderful. I'm being harassed by a tree.",
            "Gulp.",
            "I'm shaking? I'm not afraid, just cold.",
            "What a grotesque monster you are.",
            "We Hylotl believe in tolerance... except when it comes to Florans.",
            "Go back to your cocoon-kin, Floran.",
            "Ever wondered what it'd feel like to get beat down by a Hylotl?",
            "Just being near you is harrowing.",
            "I feel utterly sick.",
            "I could take you in a fight, I know it.",
            "Someone call pest control!",
            "Oh great, the plants are talking again.",
            "Leave me alone, scum.",
            "You terrify me, creature.",
            "I'm surprised your kind can even communicate.",
            "My nightmares have come to life.",
            "I dreamed of the day I'd meet a Floran.",
            "Know that I could set you on fire if I wished, creature.",
            "What a repugnant specimen."

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"I'll try to be polite to you, despite the obvious...",
            "The less civilised members of your kind scare me.",
            "I have nothing to say to you, scum.",
            "I'm... Okay with Florans. At least you don't seem feral.",
            "It's better we don't speak too much, Floran.",
            "My people have... History with your kind.",
            "You may seem civilised but I'm still uneasy around your kind...",
            "Please don't make too many sudden movements.",
            "Your eyes say you're civilised, but my gut feeling still says otherwise.",
            "My people can be quick to judge your kind, but I know better.",
            "As long as you aren't here to eat me, I'm okay with you.",
            "I'll try to be civil with you.",
            "If you hurt me, you'll pay!",
            "You might not know just how much my people fear the Floran.",
            "Perhaps you and I can put aside our differences.",
            "I know you aren't as feral as you look. Don't worry.",
            "Your people may spread like weeds, but I sense intelligence in you.",
            "I've got my eye on you, Floran.",
            "Don't sneak up on my kind, that's all I'm saying.",
            "Perhaps one day, ALL Floran will be civilised like you.",
            "How many Floran are capable of intelligent conversation? Just you?",
            "You haven't immediately attacked me? That's good.",
            "I'm not used to being around your kind, but I'll try to be polite.",
            "Oh, um, hello there Floran.",
            "I'm shaking? I'm not afraid, just cold.",
            "Your gaze suggests you aren't a wild animal. That's good.",
            "We Hylotl believe in tolerance, so I'll try to extend that to your kind.",
            "The Hylotl have warriors exist to make sure your kind never hunts us down again.",
            "Our people were once at war, but that was in the past now.",
            "Before you get any ideas, I don't taste very nice!",
            "You are civil. That is a relief.",
            "I'll admit that my people don't have much experience with civil Floran...",
            "Are there many more like you? By that I mean Floran that don't act like wild beasts?",
            "Your kind aren't so scary up close.",
            "You seem clever for a Floran. Do you appreciate art as well?",
            "An intelligent Floran? Maybe your people have SOME culture after all!",
            "I've heard rumours of Floran who abandoned their barbaric upbringing, but never met one before!",
            "I've had nightmares about your kind! But I'll be nice, I know it's not your fault.",
            "A Floran who can operate tools? Can you paint as well?",
            "What big eyes you have! Your kind aren't so scary, I don't think.",
            "No matter what I've been told, I think there is beauty to be found in all living things."

Code:

"Hsssss!",
            "Ssstab!",
            "Fish! Away!",
            "Floran not ssspeak to fish!",
            "Ssslimy one, begone!",
            "Floran not know what fish thing expect here.",
            "Greenguard watch you, fish.",
            "Ssslime creature!",
            "Floran keen to ssstab this thing.",
            "Graaak!",
            "Fissshhhhhhhhhh nooooo!",
            "Horrific fish!",
            "Ssslimy beast!",
            "Hyark!",
            "*maniacal laughter*",
            "Floran will ssstab you fishface!",
            "Floran not like you, thing.",
            "Horrifying ssslime!",
            "Floran perplexed at brazen fish.",
            "Floran think ssspace ssship wasted on fish.",
            "Fishface! Away!",
            "Floran not responsible for Floran's actions if fish remain here!",
            "Floran quivering with rage at sssudden fish.",
            "FLORAN HATE YOU FISH!",
            "Sssick fish, go away or go ssstabby.",
            "Floran not even mind fish really but entrenched rivalry unavoidable.",
            "Greenfinger sssay ssslimy fish enemy of Florans!",
            "Floran's is the fury!",
            "Ssscumfish, what do here?",
            "Ssslime fish ssshould fear Floran.",
            "Leave, beast of the sssea.",
            "Floran call Greenguard sssoon!",
            "Filthy ssstinky fish not touch Floran.",
            "Floran ssspit on fish peace.",
            "Floran know truth, slime. Leave now.",
            "Ssstinky sssea creature alert.",
            "Floran would ssstab but left sssword at home.",
            "Sssound the fish alarm!",
            "Floran not want you here, slimefish.",
            "Floran displeased with fish appearance."

Code:

"Fish man sssmells interesting...",
            "You look like fun Can I chassse you?",
            "Doesss fish man have huntsss too?",
            "Do you make ssspears? I might get a new one.",
            "I've never hunted with sssomeone like you!",
            "Have you met Floransss before?",
            "Do you have Floran ssstaying on your home planet?",
            "Ssslimy creature!",
            "Ssstrange, you are different colours to most meat people.",
            "Your ssskin is bright colours like Floran!",
            "How many coloursss do you have on you?",
            "Fish person sssmell different to other meat people.",
            "Three eyes! I could hunt ssso much more prey with three eyes!",
            "Why are your eyesss red?",
            "Are your teeth as sssharp as Florans?",
            "Do fish men see many Floransss?",
            "How many prey have you ssstabbed recently, fish?",
            "Do you live under water? Ssstrange...",
            "Does the sssun give you energy too?",
            "Do you have a ssspace ship? Can you hunt in ssspace?!",
            "Hi there, fish man!",
            "Floran sssmell you from far away! Be careful, makesss your kind easy to hunt!",
            "How fassst can you swim, if you're a fish?",
            "Are you a fisssh or lizard? It's all meat to me.",
            "Does your meat people prefer ssswords or ssspears?",
            "Has your kind heard of Floransss before?",
            "Do fish people have Greenfingersss?",
            "Show me your hunting ssshout, meat people!",
            "What'sss your favourite plant type?",
            "Does fish man eat meat?",
            "Let'sss have a competition. I bet I can huntsss more than you!",
            "Are you fassster than me?",
            "I wonder if fish man has heard of Floran before.",
            "I bet we could be friendsss, fish man!",
            "Your eyesss are so much smaller than mine.",
            "Isss your middle eye real, or did you paint it on for a hunt?",
            "Floran can jump higher than fish man!",
            "How man fish people are there? Not more than Floransss I bet!",
            "Do you hunt well? That is what I ressspect!",
            "I'm sssure we can be friends."

What do other people think. Good or bad change?

 

I like the change from xenophobic to antagonism

 

That's the thing though, there's no antagonism whatsoever from the florans towards the hylotl anymore, when before florans would hiss and threaten to stab the hylotl and stuff.

 

I must admit, The new Hylothl still seems sorta.. Angry towards them but less so. However the new Floran just seems like they have forgotten everything, I wonder why that is.

 

Derpy plant people, perhaps?

 

Could be.. They might not have their history written down?

 

Probably so. Not every Floran was involved in the Hylotl/Floran war, so it makes sense that the race not as well organized would have less organized hostility. Quite possibly, it was retconned such that Florans are not a well-organized race of beings.

 

I'd be saddened to hear that. I liked the idea of the floran collective.

 

This is what I was going for with dialogue changes. Whilst the Hylotl have definitely had a dark history with the Floran, they pride themselves as not being an aggressive or judgemental species. Their attitudes towards the player character is more one of uncertainty and fear based on the things they've been brought up hearing about the savage Floran, but typically they will try to remain open-minded (especially if they can end up with a Floran landlord with the upcoming Colony system!). That's not to say that a Floran player might not encounter aggression - Especially if they were to confirm their stereotypes in front of Hylotl city guards!

We're currently going over lore and history as it is presented in the game, so things like dialogue are being evaluated as we go.

One thing to mention here is that this is taken from the Nightly branch, where things are often in states of constant change. Please take everything with a pinch of salt!

 

This makes a lot of sense, given that Floran settlements ( according to lore) vary wildly on culture and hostility to strangers. I could see the hylotl still not liking them as a whole, though xenophobia would suggest current violence, this suggests bad history. Though I wonder if any race can get over being chased off their home planet, if far less can be deemed unforgivable...

 

It would be nice to involve ourselves in the plot that's occurring among our race. I don't think I've seen a lot of that yet. (Hopeful though)

 

Still considering the florans invaded and took over the hylotl homeworld, that is definitely something I feel like all hylotl would know about and despise the floran for. I mean conquering your homeworld is not something easily forgiven. Still, I don't know everything behind the scenes and it is nightly.

 

The Floran player character sort of is a rogue hunter from the race's "savagery" and is "intent on finding more worthy hunts" if we're speaking about lore. It's sort of reasonable to have a different approach.

Now, if "Personality" would also define a character's communication style and not just an idle set, that would be more universal. Certainly the largest and most difficult idea I can imagine, though.

 

This is a fair point, the player character floran is indicated to have left floran savagery, so they are not a typical flroan or representative of most florans.

 

Yep! A typical Floran warrior would probably provoke a more... Traditional response from the Hylotl population.

 

I have said enough in the june 2nd thread already, so ill just say It kills the most interesting thing in the lore so far.

 

Attack Florans just because they are Florans? Let the Hyotyl act sceptical, anxious, repulsing, even threatening - and maybe change the behavior, if the Floran turns out to be nice - or not. But shot anyone on sight just because of his race? This is one place, where art (and video games are art in my opinion) can show us a better way to handle things.

 

Yeah, swat. Even in Windhelm in TES V: Skyrim, the capital of Nordic racism, non-Nords weren't attacked on sight. They were just treated with racist gestures. If the Hylotl are remotely more civilized than the Nords in Skyrim, then they wouldn't attack on sight - they'd wait for provocation, an excuse, before attacking.