Will no longer be posting my mods on here (as if anyone cares)

I never stated it was a rule, it's common courtesy, and common practice amongst most modding communities, so yes it is bad enough. Since the participant of said information has seemingly avoided the topic several times, I won't bring names up, but I think it's quite reliable, even if it wasn't against the rules it was against their wishes, which frankly is the important part in this.

If I lose my rights as soon as I upload a mod, then I'm not going to make mods. I am entitled to have a say over work I create, especially since I'm not being paid for said work. People should respect that it isn't theirs to claim or alter, but for some reason some modding communities have this little bubble of thought where taking someone else's work without their permission is completely ok. It would be like an author taking a paper I'd written on a topic, and publishing it in a journal without my consent. That's plagiarism, the subject matter doesn't come into it at all because they didn't have consent, even if they give me credit.

This is the kind of situation I'm talking about. Honestly, once I've finished a mod and nothing else is going to be added to it, I'd likely make it open to the public (under the condition they give credit.)

Also massive de ja vu.

 

So how do you figure Tekkit sunk? Because a quick google search shows it's still up. And gives credit to all the mods in it. And even goes as far as to set up donation links to *all* of the authors.

Also if the community was able to always judge mods and toss out any that do any harm equally I would't be worried. But when you have certain people get *really* popular and then they turn out to do really stupid stuff then it gets hard to get them to stop unless you have somebody from *very* high up (Like the game creators) to get them to stop.

 

The OP has set the tone, and I guess it is genuinely that difficult after that.

 

Just because it's up doesn't mean it's used though. I haven't seen it being used anywhere nearly as widely as it was for about a year now.

Like what stupid stuff? That's exceedingly vague. They're entitled to do stupid stuff, and we can very easily ignore them, and boycott their mods. Essentially, if you don't like it/like the author, no one is forcing you to use it. If it's against the rules, they''ll be banned. I fail to see the issue there.

 

Something I never understood: Why do people make modpacks, anyways?
I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just thinking that one wouldn't want to have 10 mods in one and instead pick and choose.
Also, it takes away ratings and downloads from the original mod's pages, as people who would have otherwise downloaded it would have already downloaded it as a modpack.
If it's compatibility people are aiming for with them, shouldn't they focus on telling the original maker that it's broken instead of taking it and fixing it themselves?

 

The only reason I see for modpacks is if there are a bunch of mods you like but none of them are compatible.

 

In which case there's no problem anyway. What you do in the privacy your own computer is fine (I frequently fine tune other peoples mods to suit my tastes), the "problem" mod packs the rules are there to prevent is where people then re-upload such mods

 

Because sometimes awesome mods are made even more awesome when combined together, and sometimes two awesome mods have incompatibilities that the Everyman doesn't know how to fix. Most mod packs have a general theme and structure to what they try to bring in terms to changing gameplay. Telling a mod author to make his mod compatible with every mod in existence is a bit extreme and as other modding communities have proven is that eventually you get situations where mod authors tell people to not ask for compatibility, or they purposefully engineer incompatibility because they are having a pissing fight with someone else (BTW and Forge, GregTech and TinkersConstruct are good, loud, examples from Minecraft).

As for "ratings and number of downloads", that is a petty thing to be worried about, this isn't Reddit, this isn't Facebook, you don't get a gold star sticker for high ratings and that should not be the focus for making mods at all, that kind of thinking and goal is what tends to lead to mod developers considering non-modders to be second class users and that they, the modders, should be worshiped. This may sound extreme and stupid, but it has happened and is still happening in places like the MC and Skryim modding communities. I don't want to see the SB community fall into that death spiral.

Starbound's forums rules only extend to these forums. This is only going to splinter the community more and there are plenty of people out there who will jump at the chance to host modpacks because of the ad revenue it will generate (Curse for example is notorious for this kind of shit). Honestly, I think people tend to forget that game modifications fall under derivative works (in the US at least) and that the new SB rules contradict what the laws says I am legally able to do with derivative works. So yeah, you are just going to see people take their mod packs elsewhere and they will flourish there.

 

That's kind of what I was trying to hint at, that there is no point to modpacks except for the ones that make a bunch of mods compatible, since those tend to actually give credit where credit is due.

 

Modpacks are because not everyone can be bothered to look through the hundreds of mods searching for the gems of gold. A modpack allows for one person to do the tremendous amount of work involved in finding well made mods that work together and are useful for anyone playing. It's simple convenience. It's not much of a problem now because the Starbound modding community is still relatively young, but take for instance New Vegas. Not everyone is going to search back through thousands of mods made over quite a few years just to find the really good ones that are still around. There are no real modpacks for New Vegas, and there are constant complaints about that too. Some people don't want to spend hours looking for mods, they want to look up and see one big modpack and then download that and get playing right away.

Saying that there is no point to modpacks is incredibly shortsighted, not everyone has the patience to sift through hundreds of mods searching for the ones they will need to make their experience perfect. It also vastly overestimates the technical capabilities of the average user. The majority of people who play a game play it unmodded, and the majority of the people who play it modded have very little idea how to do anything beyond throwing it into a folder and playing(and sometimes they have trouble with that).

 

I think you mis-understand modders.

Modders are close cousins of artists, performers, writers or any other creative art; their drive is certainly passion for what they do; but praise and positive reinforcement is the fuel that keeps them ticking over. So, yes, ratings are actually important to seeing continued support and development of a project no matter how petty that may appear

 

There's many examples to choose from but I'll go with Flower Child and Minecraft. He created Better than Wolves because he didn't like Notch putting in wolves when 'so many other things could've been put in!' But the main things I'd point out to is that he was actively antagonistic to the point of modpacks, even going as far as to put code into it to muck with peoples games if it was alongside other mods in ways he didn't allow (this didn't even have to be in a pack, a person could've just downloaded them themselves), had a public slapfight with the forge people just because he didn't like some things they were doing, etc etc.

But because he was really popular, all he got was a slap on the wrist. If anybody without his popularity would've done this crap they would've gotten chased out.

THIS is the kind of thing I want to make sure doesn't happen here.

 

You're ridiculous.

When I start modding stuff, the reason I mod things is to improve the game, or to give it something that I feel it's lacking.

Let's say I come up with an idea that ... oh, I don't know, adds a way to forge weapons to improve them. If someone finds a way to add like, enhancements so someone can shoot fireballs or ice swings or whatever, why should I be upset? Literally the only thing I agree with the tantrum babies about "MODDERS RIGHTS" is that the original creator should be credited in the case of modding a mod, but if someone does that, that's awesome. And if someone makes a modification that somehow turns all the forged weapons into penises, well, that's not the biggest problem in the world. I don't like it, but hey, Chucklefish might not like my forging weapons, or may not like other mods that people like like the weird pony mods for bronies or the sexually accurate avian mods or whatever weird crap people come up with.

I assure you you would be throwing a tantrum if Chucklefish started C&Ding inappropriate mods, as would every other MODDERS RIGHTS person -- even though that's the exact same thing they're doing.

 

Nah, I've seen this argument used several places in these forums and when pushed on it people admitted that they didn't care about improving the game as much as they cared about having a higher rating than someone else. This has started in other communities and has exploded into huge toxic reasons to even get into modding.

 

The entire Minecraft modding community called. They'd like to have a word with you.

 

A word where introducing "mod permissions" turned the Minecraft community into a toxic and drama-filled modding enviroment exacerbated by people like Slowpoke, Flowerchild, and CovertJaguar?

 

Competition is what makes individuals and companies better. If nobody was competitive to make a better mod than someone else, it would be much rarer to see the amount of effort that some modders put into their works.

 

The Minecraft modding community is the second worst modding community in terms of being toxic, petty, and outright demoralizing/hostile. The only word that the Minecraft modding community could have would be a cautionary one to not make the same mistakes that allowed them to flourish into an unfun crater of bad blood and BS

 

What bizzaro MC community are you looking at. The MC community is one of the most toxic places up to the point where even the mod authors are ripping each others throats out and adding malicious code to their mods.

That... literally has nothing to do with what I am discussing. Tell me, do you honestly HONESTLY think that modding would die if Chucklefish removed the ability for people to see how many times their mods have been download (which is meaningless, I could release stupid minor updates several times a week to get my download count higher, as done in other mods for other games) and they removed the ratings systems?

Remove those two things and modding is dead? Get real.

 

The Minecraft Modding community has always been toxic, since practically day one.