Will no longer be posting my mods on here (as if anyone cares)

I was thinking about something like this, but couldn't gather the words, you summed it up quite excellently. Though, I'd say that the mod other should just have to login rather than renew stuff manually, imagine having a lot of finished mods that aren't public domain and constantly having to renew them.. Not fun.

 

This is perfect, basically.

 

As far as I can tell the reason the OP is against the new policies is due to the community it will foster, not what it would do to his mods personally. People tend to get entirely too worked up about their rights to their modding content(in reality they have none), and you end up with places like the Minecraft or Nexus(where not only can mod authors delete any comment on their page they don't like, but they can ban anyone they like from ever downloading their mods or even viewing their pages for little to no reason) modding communities. Even the thread debating about permissions had a number of posts that were simply members harassing and attempting to drive off other modders because they had a different view on this than they did. This new system of permissions doesn't help or hurt anyone, all it does is encourage modders to be incredibly dramatic. All these modpacks and derivatives that people complain about will still happen, only the modders will host them elsewhere because they see no reason to contribute to these modders undeserved sense of ownership over content that legally belongs to Chucklefish. As well, it stifles innovation. There are many mods that start as simple things that are pretty much copy-pastes of other mods, but eventually evolve into something unique and great. Having an identical version of your mod up does not not cost you profit, all it does is hurt your pride if you allow yourself to think that your mod is super special and it should be the only one. Yes it is only polite to give credit, and asking permission never hurts, but the intended audience of mods is the people who will be playing them. Someone putting up a modpack consisting of a ton of popular and really good mods is making things easier for the people who want to play a modded game without looking up and installing dozens of mods, they are not stealing your profits. In the end the people who whine ridiculously loud about permissions are people who insist that views and downloads are everything, despite the fact that they get nothing from them. If someone uploads your stuff and claims it as their own, then message them and make it clear to the downloaders that you believe that this modder is passing off your content as their own. It does not need to be made into a screaming argument that drags down half the forum and ends with the moderators changing the rules to please the vocal minority.

vvvv Modpacks are rape was actually quite a bit of the discussion in the policy thread.

 

The main problem, though, isn't the OP saying 'fuck permissions I wanna do what I want!' It's the potential for people to deny people to work on their mods because they, quite literally, have their head up their bums and decide they're better than everybody else at everything. It's happened before in various modding communities and it'd be sad to have that happen here.

Because when you have certain opinions like 'modpacks are rape' start creeping up (Which is definitively the most fucked up opinion to have) then that creates a slippery slope before any real discussion can be had.

 

If I'm creating a mod though, I don't want other people working on it, and that isn't because:

a) Yeah, people can be better than other people without just being some pompous ass, it's called knowledge. If I wanted someone to work on it with me, I would want to know they had the sufficient knowledge to do a job I deem acceptable, and representative of the quality I'm aiming for.

b) The mod, as mentioned, might be a work in progress. I don't want people pulling unfinished work and releasing it, and I definitely don't want people trying to finish my mods for me.

I actually support mod packs, though more along the lines of Steam Workshops implementation, since the mod pack creator is forced to give credit regardless.

 

I'm not terribly sure why anyone would want to protect their mods in the first place. Most open source mods for Minecraft are more popular than their protected counterparts after all. If someone makes a fix or a modification to your mod, how is that a bad thing?

 

Please keep the discussion on topic, civil and try not to personally bash anyone even if you disagree with them. It's an interesting topic, so please feel free to share your thoughts on it freely (while still being civil, obviously). This goes out to all of you and is my only warning in this thread.

Thanks guys.

 

Perhaps that feature is still being worked on so a fix will be coming. Uploading the entire mod for one fix is misleading. You could send it to the author and ask that they credit you, I know I would.

 

Yeah, when your starting position is "Making a modpack that credits my work completely on the internet is the same as committing violent sexual violation against a person in real life" then you've set a pretty clear and extremely hostile tone. On a side note, I would never want to use your mod, ever, if that is your position and I feel disgusted using a service that allows you to express that sort of opinion freely.

We had a rule that they HAD to credit the mod author, and it was ready and waiting to be enforced. People were already protected against not being credited!

 

Rules are all dandy, but people weren't crediting people. Now, the option is there to ensure that if the mod creator wants. I see no issue with giving the mod creator more power over their own creation, and if it's really is as awful as people seem to think it will be, then privately developed mods will just die off.

I don't understand this black and white viewpoint people seem to have here. At the end of the day, the community will decide via downloads and support whether it works or not, and having the choice is never a bad thing. Not having the choice however leaves mods wide open to stealing.

 

Of course you can have more knowledge than somebody else. It's all about how you act with it. Like I said before this isn't just about hypotheticals. This has happened with people before when they went *so far* in trying to control who can and can't use what they put up that they put in code to muck with peoples games if they dared to put their mods together with other mods that they didn't 'allow'. That is the kind of hubris I'm talking about that we shouldn't tolerate.

 

Yes it was wrong to compare those with rape. Ofc it is. But many of you seems to forget that was from ONE user, and no one else. So chill about those quotes.

And no, not every modders have an ego like people here like to say. You must have meet or talked to the wrong sort of modder.

 

Who wasn't? What modpacks weren't giving credit, and WHY DIDN'T YOU REPORT THEM WHEN YOU SAW THEM? The Modpack that spawned this entire discussion gave every credit right on their front page with clear links back to the mods making it up, so you could visit them and give them ratings as well.

If there was someone not giving credit and you kept that to yourself, shouldn't that make you an accomplice to the rules broken?

 

Those modders are a prolific member of another game so it's real hard to avoid 'em.

And I'm not going to chill about those quotes if there's never going to be an apology for 'em.

 

This will happen whether or not Chucklefish gives options for people to just say you can't edit this or not.

Look at Minecraft, Mojang gave no rules about mod re-distribution and yet many many shitstorms stormed.

 

I disagree. We most definitely should allow it, because it will most likely sink (like Tekkit) when people find out. As I said in my last post, the community should be left to judge mods, and mod creators should be able to control the distribution of their own work. I've been in modding communities that enforced permission requirements, and they were absolutely fine, so there are horror stories both side of the fence here.

Second hand information, though the fact that they didn't have to seek permission is bad enough if they're re-uploading mods, and yeah nice try, inaction doesn't mean I'm an accomplice since it isn't in the rules that I have to report every rule breaker I come across. So stop trying to make me look like the guilty party please.

 

*Sigh.....I feel like there isn't any problem with letting someone choose if they want thier stuff open source or not. It's only polite to ask for permission to use someones stuff anyway. I mean that's manners 101. I think this system heavily relies on the community being honest with eachother and keeping open communication. The scenarios I see to be a problem is when people out of emotional whatever decide to change thier mind in a way to maliciously affect another on a whim. Instead of being a general rule this option makes everything a case by case basis. I feel sorry for the poor moderators who have to do all the research to enforce the many scenarios that can occur by people not being honest with eachother.

BTW thanks for posting the Cathedral Vs. Parler. It was a great read, I had no idea someone had written an intelligent summery of this argument.

 

The rules never said they had to get permission, unless they modified files, so they weren't breaking any rules so there was no 'bad enough'. How about we not drag second hand information into this, if you aren't sure of what really happened it only hurts your own argument if you try to present it as evidence.

haha, what? Technic is still wildly popular and well used as a platform for modpacks, and is full of great work and features that make it the superior platform over the alternatives.

 

Then jb, you either wait for him to write here or take it up with him instead of making alot of people here think more then he/she said it

Its good though that you raised his post, its not okey to do that comparision in any forums or irl

 

I don't see what the big fuss is about. The modders have no more or less rights than they already had; for example my mods already said "please contact me before modifying or redistributing any of the content", these are just basic intellectual property rights to dictate how your content is used. The addition of a slot on the front page of a mod that says "please contact me before modifying or redistributing" changes nothing.

And, incidentlly the reason I ask people to contact me first is that back in Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, I created a zombie simulation mod (28 days and a bit), which I said people could freely modify; there are now 5 different versions, all being made and distributed by a dozen different people, and I still get mail about bugs in other people's versions of the mod. Therefore, this time around, I want to keep my mods on a tighter leash, especialy during early development where my patching cycles typically sees an update a day, and if people start modding than those modded versions will have different content and bugs to my "current" release version confusing bug reporting and development.