Why I wont be playing a Novakid.

I didn't see where he insulted anyone, though i did see where he bashed the time period a good bit. What post was it that he went off about the people who like the western era?

 

Well thinking about it how about Firefly? That entire series was kinda space cowboys as majority of the everyday people dressed in old leather clothes and whatnot, heck the whole music and whatnot were western themed.

I do understand why you won't play the race and now I'm questioning whether I'll be playing them now, I mean does the western theme means the Novakid's armor will be leather jackets and nothing high-tech?

 

He not only insulted the west, he insulted all of The United States of America. "The backwater of a country that didn't even matter yet"

 

What do I call OP's post.

Wild West culture. Just... wild west culture. ---Nothing wrong here.

I've never understood the fascination people have with this time period. ---Not derogatory.
Its not a particularly long time period, nor is it a particularly innovative one. ---Not derogatory.
Nothing happened of worth in the "Wild West", it was just boring, depressing pre-modern age life in a boring depressing pre-modern age desert. ---Maybe this hurt the Wild West's feelings? Possibly
Not to mention a crapload of genocide which is often glorified by some of the older movies. (You know, the whole "kill Native-Americans" and invading their land thing). ---This is a fact.

Probably one of the most embarrassing times in Human history, ---Debatable.
but people love it for some baffling reason. ---Fact Semi-fact: "baffling" not necessary.
It was literally the backwater of a country that didn't even matter yet. ---Derogatory

Entire thing was derogatory? No. Insulting anyone that has interest in it? No. Saying they support genocide? No. I see none of this in this post. And I warned the entire thread, OP included, and not pointing fingers at any one person. I have handed out no punishments, I've said no names. I haven't touched a single thing in this thread other than telling people, as a warning, that they should be civil.

If you want OP to be punished for that one line, then I'll give similar punishments to everyone else who has made a similar line. And then what would it really accomplish? Retroactive punishments even though I gave a stern warning? Not interested in punishing everyone in this thread.

 

The fact is the wild west was the foundation of america before amercia was. It was a nitty gritty time where outlaws and crooks took advantage of other people. Many people died, its the closest to fresh new discovery and lawless the world will ever have on record. Like it or hate it, its a documentation of what people will be given no rules, new frontier, and freedom. Novakid fits perfectly in this as we are discovering a new frontier.

 

I loved the fashion back then. It wasn't lazily presented nor did it have such a manufactured look. I like at era because some things (mostly a lot of things) were worked hard for to accomplish in that age of pre-industrial time. Clothing is just a small thing a lot of things needed to be worked hard for. Everything in that era feels non-manufactured industrially, pure, and home made. I much prefer the architecture and stylizations of items back then, the elegant curves, pin stripes, and other various things that held artistic substance compared to today's sometimes boxy simplistic and minimalist designs, back then they could maintain their artistic styles and apply efficiency to it and present it. The other events of this period such as slavery and other things are to be ignored simply because (and obviously, at that) the style of clothing is only being applied. There really is no sense in completely unadvertised and clean western clothing being compared to slavery and genocide when there's nothing within its own visual assets that condones it or represents it. It's a simple application of style.

 

Breaking down each line doesn't excuse the fact that he was implying he is above anyone who wants to play as a Novakid, and yes, the entire post implies that. I completely agree with you not censoring him or anyone else for that matter, and I am certainly not calling for anyone to be punished. I have no problem with the OP saying he thinks the USA didn't matter in the late 1800s, and that the west was the backwater of said country. I do have a problem with you appointing the hostility to people calling him on it.

 

I think the Wild West was pretty exciting.
All of the expansion and fighting over land with Mexico and each other was really cool. It was land of new opportunity and a new-found self-reliance.

Also, the Oklahoma Rush sounded fun. I mean, of course it was a stressful situation, but you'd never see something like that today.

It's just, the subculture and the history that was created because of all that time really amuses me. It's not exactly deep or anything, but it's very amusing.

 

Last I checked, my post's purpose was to warn the entirety of the people in the thread, and let them know that we tolerate no over-hostility and insults. But if you'd like to pinpoint where I placed the claim of hostility squarely on the people who opposed OP, that'd be massively helpful in allowing me to amend my post to reflect my actual intentions. Unless of course you're referring to the quote: "Nobody needs to go around saying "nobody cares" or "this is useless" or anything" which again, applies to everyone regardless of IF it was said, and regardless of who said it.

Just because I said "Be respectful of other's opinions" doesn't mean it doesn't apply to OP needing to accept other people's criticisms / counter opinions of his own opinion.

 

I apologize if people found that comment about the nation offensive. But you need to consider the time period. I'm not calling the current United States a backwater, I was saying that about the United States at the time. I'll be the first to admit that Australia was a hole for a very long time, I don't think its offensive to point out that originally the Colony of Australia was a horrible place to live. This is what I meant when I called the US back during the wild west a backwater.

I can't help but wonder how you got that message. Did I say I was better than anyone? I don't think I implied it and I apologise if you think I am, I don't think I'm above anyone. You're reading too much into the post.

 

Oh you're from here? I thought I was the only one.

 

I might submit that hostility was appointed to the act of calling someone's opinions worthless, or suggesting that no one cares about them. I don't really think it matters whether said opinion is controversial; suggesting it's unimportant is, indeed, hostile, even if the suggester is merely "calling him on" something.

 

I think it's more about the notion of cowboys and the like, more then the lore and history of it. It's also more than likely partly because of the 'romanticism' that novelists and movie writers use when making a western world. Most of it is just the setting, not the history or what actually went on back then, pulling a sheet over ones eyes per-say. Things you don't see in movies very often, is the genocide, senseless killing, racism in the Wild West. Yes, a few older movies DO bring it up, but it is toned down a lot.

Personally. I enjoy Novakid for their look, not the clothing really, since you can change that anytime you want. In the end, if you don't want to play as them, fair enough, but please don't shun people who like them. A lot of people like the Wild West because of that concept of romanticism, pushing out the bad stuff and just enjoying it for the style and setting.

 

Well I apologize for taking your post wrong, and for being more hostile than I should have been. There is no point arguing about this to begin with considering it's now turning into "what I find offensive" vs "what you find offensive".

 

Most embarrassing moments? In human history? Not even close...

 

I love you

 

I personally like the cowboys and stuff because I live in an area like that. The official name of the town I live in is "The West's Most Western Town."

So, obviously I would enjoy a cowboy theme.

 

Oh geez sometimes it's hard to tell if a thread like this is so popular because it was engineered like so to cause so much tension.

 

Of course it wasn't.

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Now I know I arrived on this thread late, and I haven't read all the other post, so sorry if this is a repeat. That being said you have a right to your own opinion and I respect that but weather your just miss informed or are doing this for the controversy, I have got to defend the wild west. The wild west was a hard life it was a time of droughts, small pox's, raids, where a man could make it rich and where legends where born. Now the two things that made me respond to this thread is first you said the wild west was not an innovating and nothing happened, this is incredibly false the first transcontinental railway was made connecting the Atlantic to the Pacific a huge feat not to mention the gold rush, barb wire was invented during the time, as well as the electric telegraph plus countless other inventions. The second thing that got me is when you said it was probably one of the most embarrassing times in human history. I personally think WWII was. The fact that we could let one man get so powerful and cause so much death, that we where force to invent a weapon that could destroy city's to stop him.