white Demetrius and Maru. also a discusion on the mod.

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  1. Qtw

    Qtw Phantasmal Quasar

    /s means sarcasm. in other words he was joking.
     
    • DJOkamical

      DJOkamical Space Kumquat

      I'm making the Demetrius mod, expect all npcs, monsters, pets, and animals to be replaced by Demetrius in a matter of like, a week or two.
       
      • LittleNerdyOTAKU

        LittleNerdyOTAKU Scruffy Nerf-Herder

        I know that :,)
         
        • Iffydust

          Iffydust Starship Captain

          Can you make me look like him? I mean the player ofc
           
          • Qtw

            Qtw Phantasmal Quasar

            okay THAT i have to see. that sounds like a funny mod. i am downloading that.
             
            • Biske

              Biske Scruffy Nerf-Herder

              Don't forget items, too.
               
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              • Qtw

                Qtw Phantasmal Quasar

                that would look fun. what about trees and all crops? make them look like Demetrius as well.
                this actually sounds like a grand joke mod that came out of a thread that caused some heated discussion.
                 
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                • Biske

                  Biske Scruffy Nerf-Herder

                  More lively than heated. I was never mad at you. Just speaking in a serious tone about a topic I personally care about
                   
                  • TheFool

                    TheFool Astral Cartographer

                    whats all this about a mod being taken down due to harassment?

                    sorry if i'm butting in while missing something significant to the discussion; the most i recall is someone taking down a certain mod because "too much drama, guys" more or less, a few days ago. we've had other mods but have they been taken down by the authors because they were victims of harassment? i feel a bit lost.
                    either way in this particular case i'm thinking of it wasn't even a 'majority rules' thing like has been suggested; the one i remember being taken down by the author actually involved more people defending the mods existence, then attacking it. their posts and likes generally appeared to make up substantially more of the thread(which surprised the hell out of me, let me say). so by any type of 'majority rules' or 'the community shows' logic, it should have stayed.

                    it was their opinion to take it down though, and after seeing what the thread turned into i can understand why. i played a part in the crapfest but i can understand how the author probably just wanted to post their mod, not wake up to an 8+ page thread of racial debate. they made something the liked, uploaded it for other people to enjoy, then got a face full of argument both supporting and going against them. ouch.

                    either way i agree with Qtw when he says
                    it just feels extremely rude to go into a content creators thread, when the content they've uploaded is fully within community rules and guidelines, and start insinuating they're not progressive, moral, correct or decent.
                    if someone strictly spouts racist rhetoric or derogatory terms i don't begrudge people going after them - knowing full well it's hypocritical of me when i say i support free speech as free speech - but why does someone posting a mod that changes the color of pixels emit such hate?
                    the original games representation of races doesn't change any. just the modders game, and those who use it.
                     
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                    • Biske

                      Biske Scruffy Nerf-Herder

                      Don't quote me on that, I was just going off of what other people said about THAT. I don't have any actual details about that.
                       
                      • reject

                        reject Void-Bound Voyager

                        to be honest, any mod that changes the race of any character (aside from the player character in most cases) is a sign of an odd fetish and/or prejudice towards certain races.

                        i find it all pretty equally disturbing.
                         
                        • DJOkamical

                          DJOkamical Space Kumquat

                          First Npc almost done
                           

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                          • Biske

                            Biske Scruffy Nerf-Herder

                            I probably lol'd harder than I should have. Didn't think you actually would.
                             
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                            • rhomboid

                              rhomboid 0118 999 881 99 9119 725... 3

                              you should change their names to be puns of demetrius
                              like
                              demiletrius
                              [edit] also you should prob make your own thread for this to avoid derailing and also because it deserves a thread of its own
                               
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                              • Itsrainingstars

                                Itsrainingstars Space Penguin Leader

                                Is this real? Is no one even offended by this? As someone else said. If you don't want to date a black person don't date Maru. That is not offensive. To actually change her skin color then decide she's now suitable to date. That's what's offensive.
                                 
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                                • Biske

                                  Biske Scruffy Nerf-Herder

                                  No, plenty of people are offended. Just read back.
                                   
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                                  • nickelcurry

                                    nickelcurry Subatomic Cosmonaut

                                    This sounds so confusing and delightful. Also name them all George.
                                     
                                    • vDominai

                                      vDominai Tentacle Wrangler

                                      Actually that mod exists because the creator has a preference for latinos. And they've posted that they're okay with the white mods.
                                       
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                                      • TheFool

                                        TheFool Astral Cartographer

                                        ah. if it is the mod i'm thinking of, the topic was still viewable last i checked. possibly had the most views in the mod forum actually, next to the rules thread(also surprising!)
                                        i'd recommend checking it yourself. it may turn out i'm biased or blind, and the percentages are the other way around, but i'd really suggest any time you hear "harassment" you look into it yourself. that's one word people throw around like candy these days, whether it applies or not. it's almost a giant flag to whip out your notepad and magnifying glass and get to work, rather than take it at face value and repeat it. in my experience, at any rate. i absolutely hate that lately i have to take the term as an equivalent to crying wolf.

                                        plenty of people are offended. that's why it's being discussed; there's two or more groups here.

                                        who is it offensive to?
                                        other players? but they don't have to use it, or know who uses it.
                                        maru?
                                        but she's a game character - one you can make into a lizardman as well should you so choose.
                                        in your own games, not others anyway. she's still release-maru in other players game unless they themselves opt to change her.
                                        if this helps people like the characters more, or interact with them more, why is it offensive when people do it in their own game experience?

                                        the nature of modding doesn't cheapen an experience; it enriches it for the individual.
                                        some people will get more enjoyment out of the changes, other's won't but they won't have to change either. this gives everyone their cake.
                                        some people might not experience maru's story without changing her. do i find it silly that her skin color is the thing that will push her into "experience" territory? sure. is it wrong? no, it's their game and their reasons. is it nice knowing they actually experience marus story, albiet with a different sprite? i think so personally, yeah.

                                        edit:
                                        pretty sure i saw this person outside a rave once.
                                         
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                                        • Lumina

                                          Lumina Scruffy Nerf-Herder

                                          I find it strange because Maru kind of looks latino because her skin is only slightly tan in color when compared to her father and mother. She also shares more Euro features than her African father. I think her African Lineage helps a lot at supporting that opinion as well, as former Spanish, French and Portuguese colonies had large African slave populations which have since integrated and mixed with the local populations as well as large European Migrations to boot. So in a lot of respects the fact she is European/African mixed fits perfectly well in either North America and Latin America.
                                           
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