When viewing stream footage, take it with a grain of salt.

It seems like a reminder is due. The game is being developed, and things are being demonstrated selectively. The game is not being showcased wholesale. From IRC:

"<Tiyuri> it also makes things very hard to stream also
<Tiyuri> A good example of that is npcs
<Tiyuri> npcs have a behaviour system, each npc piece can have a unique behaviour attached to it
<Tiyuri> and then it mixes and matches them
<Tiyuri> to get a unique npc
<Tiyuri> but of course, every npc behaviour we create (which are written in lua files, for the interested)
<Tiyuri> needs to be tested
<Tiyuri> and testing a new behaviour when there are tons of possible combinations is.. well.. not doable
<Tiyuri> honestly
<Tiyuri> so what we do is disable everything
<Tiyuri> and enable one behaviour at a time
<Tiyuri> but when i stream
<Tiyuri> people (reasonably) assume
<Tiyuri> that npcs only have one behaviour
<Tiyuri> and are dumb and boring"

These streams are even less representational of the final thing than the beta would be. So relax. Don't prime your expectations. Be thankful for what we get to see, and remember that more is coming, with polish and content in tow.

 

Nice, I was wondering myself why the mobs seem so boring and lifeless but that explains it lol

 

You would assume this should go with out saying, but thanks for the reminder.

 

I was actually quite disappointed that they are still using the same death explosions. He mentioned that he would implement ragdoll deaths, yet it's still not done, or maybe it was canned.

Gun variety didn't look that good either, most projectiles were the same, the way they shot were pretty similar too, they need way more mods to make guns interesting. Look at the flamethrowers for example, same stuff.
Hopefully there are other weapons too, guns aren't that fun in a 2D game.

 

Well there's swords, spears, axes, daggers, crossbows, bows, thrown weapons, and whatever else. But if you can think of more mods, please tell the developers.

You might be surprised and they may have already made it. Honestly, there were quite a number of options for the guns. They're bullet speed, trajectory, bullet behavior, explosive or not, weight, bouncing, ground seeking, accelerating, splitting, spreading, MIRV bomb whatever attributes are varied enough for me. Please make specific examples in the future so we know what you're talking about and you can present a valid argument/statement. Also, in the case that you think something is lacking, make suggestions as to how you think it could be improved upon so we can take you seriously rather than brush you off as yet another person that's just complaining to complain.

I want to give you the benefit of a doubt so I'd actually like to hear it from you why it wasn't satisfactory rather than just that it wasn't and that's it.

 

So maybe just enable all functions and stream then for once.

Is there any current footage that represents the current state of the game?
Right now I only know this http://de.twitch.tv/tiyuri/videos?kind=past_broadcasts ... and that doesn't show much.

 

Assuming is something we must keep our selves from doing.

 

but it's kind of boring around here and there's not a lot to talk about, I like to assume things just to keep it spicy

although I guess its not really assuming more like speculating, but I'd rather make an ass out of u and me if you catch my drift

 

Now now, Miss Andry, the devs are doing what they can.

That, and Tiy already mentioned all that was said above a few times before. I don't know why this hasn't been stickied in a FAQ yet.

 

hey now, I didn't say they weren't, I'm just trying to keep myself entertained till then

 

I guess watching uproars about silly things is kind of fun.

 

exactly yes

 

lol

 

Just the fact that people feel this is necessary to say is the reason game betas get released as near-complete products. People see half finished features and don't understand that it's a testing phase and not everything is implemented yet.

 

Let me explain, first of all by "Hopefully there are other weapons too" I mean't that I HOPE they won't focus too much on guns. Randomized melee weapons and attack patterns on those would be nice, along with different types of crossbows and ammunition for those, just mean't that hopefully they won't focus too much on guns.

Now as for guns, the sound effects weren't that great in my opinion, they don't need to be realistic, but need a bit more "bang" to them, projectiles didn't look that different, I saw no lasers for example, flames were all the same, there are quite a few shot patterns, but not enough ammunition variety in my opinion. Perhaps it's because those guns were low level. Was hoping to see lazers, some liquid fire instead of generic flames, perhaps a napalm grenade launcher, energy based seeking rockets, you get the point. Most guns they showed were too ..normal, this is scifi so I expected some more advanced stuff.
The biggest turn off were the flamethrowers, there are countless ways I can think of to make them more variable. It would be ok if they only showed 1 and that's it, but they showed quite a few and they all shot the same way. Examples I can think of would be one that spits liquid fire (kind of like lava), one that perhaps freezes things instead, perhaps one that throws a fireball that engulfs the target in flames on touch, or maybe one that shoots a fire beam.

Either way, as you mentioned though, perhaps those things already are in the game, just not shown. I am simply disappointed about the things they did actually show, and really hope they don't focus too much on the guns. I mean it's cool and all, running and gunning, but it would be cooler if you had a sword in one hand and a harpoon gun in the other instead of just wielding 2 pistols that shoot 20 bullets each..

 

Agreed too many people think beta = full game and well for the most part thats not true. But i would hope most of us here know this right?

 

They just REALLY need to make a trailer of what's actually done. They are working on one, so let's judge things when we actually see how they truly are.

 

I loved playing minecraft in it's early development and finding/discussing bugs with peers. But that game had to release in a very early state because a dev team of one needs all the help it can get. On the other end of the spectrum is Diablo III's beta. Which was essentially just a demo to build hype because they didn't need help at all with testing because they have all the money ever already.

 

That's great news! Really missing something like this 2 preorder.. or not.

 

Yes agreed again i feel alot of beta test are now more of a marketing tool that to help them bug fix i can only hope this beta is a beta not as you said a demo