What happined to a progeression curve?

Allow me to start this off by saying i play Warframe on a daily basis along with other MMORPGs so i am no stranger to grinding for hours and hours, now that you know i have little problem with grinding to the point of this thread, they have turned this game into a grindfest that makes MMOs ashamed, me and a friend (thats two people) took over two and a half hours to get nothing but 8 leather for a hat for me, im sorry but 2 and a half hours grinding for a freking helmet? thats far to much, a good idea would be makeing armor that is easily acessable for early game players WEAKER not make them spend a good chunk of there adult life chaseing after the 10 leather for the freking pants, getting stuff in this game just seems harder and weaker in general, im not sure if this was intentional or not but assault rifles are WORTHLESS at lower levels because they cost more energy (per shot mind you) than sniper rifles and do less damage, meaning that you can unload a clip and (with a leather helmet mind you) take a full minit to regen youre energy, if im doing 1 damage a shot i should have sustainable fire FFS, another note touching the fule..... ok getting started here, i like the new fuel cost system it seems much more user friendly, but to make coal the only useable sorce of fuel makes exploration on a large scale MASSIVLY discoraged, because it takes 500 coal to fill a fuel tank to max and that gives you about 5 trips, that is about 100 coal per planet you go to, THATS REDICULAS, you are being forced to mine a minimum of 200 coal whenever you explore a planet just to break even in the trip there and back to youre main base, and the small ammount of coal you hve left over will be instantly soaked up by torches and refineing ores, i understand makeing some low end ores more valuble but make COPPER more valuble to higher level players by more for refineing it into pixles, coal was already gold in my eyes now coal has about as much importance to me as diamonds do, they have made this game rediculasly tedius to do anything and made exploration turn from a fun trip into manditory grinding the moment you set down before any form of fun can happin even with friends, the title here is pritty self explanitory to anyone who has played the game for a long time but for those of you who dont get it here is a summery...


coal is now more usefull than DIAMONDS,
leather armor will take about 120 hours to make one set,
wood is now USELESS late game,
you now cant see weather a monster is going to do 1 damage to you or 78 damage to you due to levels being hidden
exploration has turned into grinding rather than fun.

Now that the bitching is out of the way allow me to make one thing clear, there are some GOOD points of the update, combat feels better, the UFO is much easyer for new players to beat instead of a nightmare for inexperenced players, the armor and level system now is really easy to pickup and understand rather than takeing a bit of time to learn, and being able to directly compare weapon DPS is verry usefull.

However to summerise, while some of this update makes me whant to kiss the devs hands the fact that the game has turned into a grindfest through and through makes me whant to choke something, if i whant to grind i will play warframe, or well really ANY MMO i play starbound to have fun and screw around with my friends not spend about 3 hours getting the nessicary coal to break even on expiditions.

 

There are multiple fuel sources other than coal, such as plutonium and uranium and I don't think that your points about the weapons and UFO boss being better is necessarily right, they need to be a challenge, not a 3-4 shot kill with a bow. Also from numerous other posts people have said the weapons are OP (Haven't played the latest update yet so don't entirely know...)

 

Paragraphs please. :/ Thank you.

 

This is a beta. You are a beta tester, just like me and fellows around the forum. You TEST it and say if it suits the game, if they done good. do NOT bitch around about that, just say your opinion.

 

I agree with the point that coal is rare and worth more than diamonds atm, and it is costly to go from planet to planet especially if you deplete your coal resource because you like having a home planet.

What the developers could do is make it so you can put refined wood in the smelter and make charcoal. Being honest I like most of the update, i don't mind starting over but some things are just... meh.

 

Weapon values and monster health - especially bosses are still a major work in progress. The new system is in but the values aren't fully tested or properly changed yet.

 

well tbh the ufo boss was imposable without cheeseing in the last patch so it is an improvement

and i have never seen plutonium or uranium in the 50+ hours i played this game
so its not a good fuel

 

"herp derp dis is a berta" C'mon, grow up. Stop fanboying. This is a beta YES, and what is he doing? TESTING THE GAME and letting them KNOW what he thinks. JUST BECAUSE YOUR THOUGHTS DO NOT ALIGN WITH HIS does not mean you get to take free shots and 'think' you are superior just because you are supporting chucklefish. I support FUN games and as much as I love the developer too, I am going to let my opinion be heard.

 

Crafted weapons at the moment are ridiculously overpowered. I'm absolutely sure this was in error, and hopefully will be fixed before too long.

Beta Sector crafted weapons for instance, have over 2 to 3k dps.

 

You can find Plutonium easily in asteroids, there's loads of the stuff. Counts for 8 fuel and you can easily get about a hundred ore in one asteroid...

 

Tiy mentioned the balance would be a bit off as they work on the new system some more.

 

I Hate to state the obvious here but you should realise that at some point all resources become useless!

Not sure why people have an attachment for wood in Starbound. Wood, copper, Iron, silver, Gold....same with terraria, same with minecraft... as you go through tiers previous teirs become useless....

(they dont become useless, they become building materials)

 

I soloed the ufo in last patch without cheeseing it

I just built a skybridge, spawned it on there and then run from side to side shooting the ufo and slicing everything it spawned

 

Building materials yes, but having only FINITE fuel sources is not a good idea. At least let us refine the unrefined wood in a smelter/camp fire and turn it into charcoal.

 

I understand this is a beta, i am beta testing, this is my impressions of the game so far, me and a friend got to final level stuff sevral times over before this patch so i knowhow the game was throughly, and in sevral hours of playing the game now feels worse to me and most of the people i know, i am not afrade to tell the developers if they ave done something that makes the game feel worse for other players than just myself, and on another note some of the changes made one of my friends so furrious while playing he nearly quit and he is a massive fan of this game, so keep that in mind.

on the topic of the UFO boss, a challenge is good, i get that, and i like a challenge, i will agree a bow killing it in four shots is rediculas, but before the update steel bows dident even make it flinch, if you dident but level 10 guns you were FUCKED cause you couldent melee it and bows dident even scrach the paint, bows need to be nerfed but the boss not being a nightmare to newer players is a GOOD thing, keep in mind it is only the FIRST boss of the entire game, if it were second or third then i could say it was way to easily, but comeon, the eye of cthulu in terraria dosent make newer players tear out there hair because the bos smashed there entire house and all there belongings. (wich the UFO did to many a player pre update) as for the other sorces of fuel, they are rediculasly rare even tho they exist, before the update in the week of playing me and a friend found a tiny bit of the three other fuelsorces (plutonium, uranium and solanium) but they couldent be put into the engin as actual fuel at that point, they can now but getting them is rediculas, i dont know where you are finding astroids but i built upwards with about 6k blocks (as that is what a friend tld me to do) on about 4 diffrent planets, i saw nothing but the ground aproaching verry fast sevral times due to bird swarms.

 

here is a concept that this game is kind of embraceing, no ore is useless no resorce is useless, coal is alwase usefull for refineing even high level stuff, copper and silver and even gold are alwase usefull to repair youre picaxe, and even refineing into pixles if you need like 70k for NPC spawners or just dont feel like killing mobs at the moment for an armor or bit of furnature, almost all of the ores (least early ones) had a use and wood had a use throught the game, makeing almost everything stil be valid even for final teir players is a GOOD idea and it makes some people actuly happy that none of there resorces they worked hard to get be destined for the trash bin.

 

and how do you do that without freezeing to death

 

I read that the quest was re-worded so as to encourage players to explore and get higher tier items before battling the boss but didn't check yet.....
You weren't supposed to fight the first boss straight away and was the reason for so many players complaining about it being hard before.

 

I was refering to the OP's comment about wood;

My reaction to this is... so what?

What do you love about Wood so much that you feel it MUST have a use late game?

What about copper, and iron... why shouldnt these two resources have a use late game?

Sorry I just dont get it, its like saying "level 1 weapons have no use late game"... er.. like... herp derp?

 

camp fire and a snow infantry suit. then just use a tech or road to go between asteroids, warming up by a fire each time you get cold.