We need to stop this or everything will go wrong.

It shows and that should be ok, but to me it feels as though they're trying to jump into the big boys shoes right away and immediately falling flat on their faces.

This is a bad thing to say because Activision and Bungie were once newbies and they were newbies in an age where you couldn't do a crowd fund and get millions. Bungie might be best known for Halo, but they made Myth, Oni and Marathon, all three solid games (one of them a personal favorite of mine), before Halo. Activision made Battlezone, dark reign and other games before they got big and those are both pretty damn good games. Bungie and Activision got big by making great games...and then they 'souled' out, but that's a different story.

I strongly disagree with this. It was their choice to ask for money and people would not be upset if they had not paid a dime. If anyone is at blame it is themselves for A. Getting an advance on their allowance and B. for not expecting backlash. It happens and people are quite unreasonable about things, but there is no use in getting upset over spilt milk. They are grown ups aren't they?

All I care about is that they love their game, which they can't do trying to appease all the whiners.

You are asking the wrong person for forgiveness. That is, of course, if I am considered a member of the community.

No one likes what I say so I keep my mouth shut most of the time. I already gave them what I am willing to part with.

Dead serious, seeing things burn is fine for me. Either make the game good or meltdown and give me a good show.

I support Chucklefish in their decisions and, even though I am jaded, I genuinely hope they succeed and that things turn out well, but I am not going to lie about my feelings one bit towards them. I would probably feel better about fist pumping if Chucklefish didn't deliver their statements and opinions from a pedestal.

Finally we agree fully on something.

Never mind you lost me. Great games are made by devs who love the crap out of their games. The community doesn't make the game. The community can only enhance or make a game worse, but they cannot make an awful game great or a great game awful.

Actually I think one of two things should happen. A. They should stop reading all the whining and adding fuel to the less than intelligent, on fire community or B. Everyone should shut up and stop making posts about the development of the game and let the game die for a while so they can get back to whats important MAKING THE DAMN GAME.

To clarify, I don't hate Chucklefish, but I do definitely disagree with them and dislike certain aspects. Now I do certainly loathe these threads...and thus I must also loathe myself. I will now take my hateful self elsewhere, possibly catching on fire from seething rage and burning down my house.

 

If I was chucklefish I would just ignore the extremely negative and focus on the constructive. But as usual when people are harsh on something you make or how you operate you take it too personal atleast most people do.

In the end responding only gives more ammo, but silence leaves the narrative open to be molded by people to assume and panic. So as most things in life there has to be a balance and it has yet to be achieved.

Since I could care less about dev responses because I buy so many games and never really get in communities until now, as long as the game is released I will be fine.

But I guess everyone has different priorities about what they worry about.

 

Well, you're you, and i'm me. We have different opinions and i'm fine with that. maybe we're actually really similar, but we just didn't start on the right footing.

 

Actually it's 7 now.
http://playstarbound.com/witchmarsh-progress-report/
"We’re excited to announce that we’re publishing Witchmarsh– a 2D co-op platformer set in 1920s Massachusetts!"

And yeah, the pre-beta updates were great. Hopefully they start posting like that again now that the move is done.

 

All I can say that I already am DEEPLY impressed by what they already brought in the game, especially for an 'early acces'. They have gone so far already, I don't think they should consider the hate as a demotivation, but rather should look what they achieved already.

I really love the game, and I am sure many other people do. That amount will *always* be higher than the amount of people that may not like it.

 

Hopefully the devs posting about the progress they've made will help calm people down a little bit. Still, they have so much ground to make up PR-wise that nothing short of a sweeping content update or efficient progress will truly turn the community positive. Their reputation right now isn't very good and that's no one's fault but theirs.

 

What do you want from me, an apology? Then here, im sorry for making an in-imformed post and im sorry for being ignorant. rest assured ill do my research first before i do anything from now on. It feels horrible.

 

Don't worry, we're all idiots. Everyone gets stuff wrong, and no one knows all the information before they ask about it.

 

People are going to complain. That's never going to stop. The more people you have in a community, the more vocal complainers you'll have in a community, that's just how things work. People tend to say more when they are unhappy. It's a lot easier to complain about something that isn't working than to stop and take the time to comment when something IS working. After all, we expect it to work. When it doesn't, THAT is when people stop and complain. Plus, people are most passionate about things they love. You'll often see a lot of real seeming hatred lashed upon something, but it's borne about of more disappointment than loathing. Something is good, so good, and would only be better if....

However, I am not a very vocal member of this community. I have made a few posts here and there. My early ones WERE about a major concern I had. An issue that, for me, made the game unplayable. And issue that has since been "fixed" (rudimentary fix, but a fix none the less. This is beta/early access, I accept that.)

So, let me make my stance on this game, in its current state, and what the future seems to hold for it, absolutely clear.

Thank you Chucklefish for creating, and continuing to support, this amazing piece of software that you are working very hard on.

Some of us GET that it's beta. That things aren't perfect. We GET that you've been busy with a major project - the move - which has held up development recently. We know that the upgradable space ship design is taking a lot of time, and will be worth it when it arrives. We know that the little updates are being held off right now (it sucks, sure, but there's a reason for it.) We just don't take the time to rush to the forums and tell you that.

The negative feedback is discouraging. You can't just ignore it, and it hurts. But try, TRY to take solace in the fact that many of us DO appreciate what you're doing. We just don't say it often enough.

 

I can understand what many people are saying here.

First off, yes, they are experienced, and yes, they have had a loss of people playing.
I think this is ALL towards not having any updates.
After all, there is a lot to be desired when it comes to things like this.
You need refreshments, things that change every playthrough, OR have a sh*tton of content to the point of being able to play forever and ever on one character.
They are lacking on both fronts, making it a very negative equation.

The Community isn't that bad. Only at certain times.
I haven't played for over 3 months, yet I still hang around.
Maybe I am just missing all of the pissy people, but I have definitely not missed the good ones.

They are publishing 7 other games.
That is damn shame since now they don't only have to focus on developing one game and advertising and giving resources to 7 others.
Their numbers are terribly divided, and they haven't just bitten off more than they can chew.
They have bitten off x5 their body weight.

Also, as many people have stated, they are focusing too much on the community and not enough on the game.
With the publishing of 7 other games, their attention is split 8 ways, which is too damn much for someone also developing a game, and I wish they could see it.

Overall, I don't hate the game, I don't hate them, but I hate their mindset about developing a game and I hate their choices.
After all, they can't jsut quit now. They have got a huge following. And then, if they lose everyone for Starbound, they might lose many people for Chucklefish altogether, even to the point of avoiding their games.

 

I agree there are people who are upset with the lack of updates to the game. I do agree that they just need time to come back in full steam.
What I don't agree with is the amount of threads that are exactly like this and the amount of threads that are the opposite of this.
Making a thread won't fix the chaos. It will just cause more, due to gaining the attention of people who think the contrary and causing an argument.
How hard is it to give an opinion and leave it at that without making it a big deal?

 

i know its a bit older but i wasnt here for a while.

you do as if we talk here about a child which need to be encouraged to do their homework but they are professional game developers.
they choose to pick the pay before you get anything model and with that they are responsible to deliver what they promised in a way that the majority of customers are happy with.

chucklefish is responsible for the game and when anything goes wrong with it its not the customers fault, its theirs.

 

The only thing about publishing games, or being a publisher is money!

the moment a devteam, however they wanna call themselfs decides to make a game, their first game for instance, they can publish it on their own, but does this devteam have a big enough community to spread their game like they want it ? most likely not.

that's where a publisher jumps in and makes sure for the devteam that their game will "go big", because the publisher does own a reasonably big community to sell this game under their name.

all good eh? a good game gets attention due the publisher having a big community or rather are popular enough to spread the game over millions of poeple.


BUT... the moment a person decides to buy the game, of the devteam said before, the publisher gains X amount of money, because they published the devteam's game.

 

* Bare with me, this post will be long. My wife and I have a lot to say about the game, but we do appreciate if you take the time out to read it. *

The main reason I signed up to this forum was because of this thread. My wife and I were reading the forums (guesting like usual), but a comment about the quiet ones who say nothing could be dissatisfied made me want to voice our opinions.

Now we have absolutely nothing against the developers or Chucklefish, but the development of the game is what makes us unhappy. We last played around December 2013, and then stopped playing because we maxed out all the content (without modifications). We went through some rough in real life times, but decided to play a whole new Starbound because it's been around 6 months since we last played. We logged in, and couldn't find many differences. We actually then browsed through the last six months of News Feed to find a lot of talk about changes, but no real implementation of huge content.

We're now back to putting the game on the back log, and jumping onto other games. My wife and I purchased the game when it first came on Steam (we were unaware of the Kickstarter), but were excited because it sounded like something completely unique and exciting. It was great fun for our first play through, but I just expected to find some larger changes since the last time I played.

I'm not on the "Haters" or "Fan-Boy side", but quite comfortably in the waiting to see what will happens. I don't check the website very often anymore, and the email updates are non-existent. I don't use Twitter, and our friends no longer play, so we really don't hear much about the game anymore. Especially with E3 showing off a lot of new games, and GTA V for PC which I know many are excited about. The player count has been dwindling, and I just fear it'll continue down that road until it sparks up interest again. It would be a shame that a huge update came out so late that it didn't revive the games full community because they're not checking back anymore.

Again, apologies for the long post. I'll keep an eye on this thread, and I might even become a bit more active signing on the forum. From the replies I've seen on this thread, the Starbound forum community is no where near as bad as some games I've played.

Thanks all!

 

You are so right. You are talking about people like me. I'v just abandoned the game, because all the fucking tier system is so flat and annoying - including the cleanly by-tier-separated universes, which takes one out of experience. First I kept checking the news, but found only advertise for other games or no news at all. Soon I gave up searching through the news to find some starbound news with another-gif or no-content blabidiblub. Finally i completely gave up. Month later I'm back to check and find even more other-games-advertise and this post, which made me log-in again to reply

 

Man you people post long posts...

 

If what you're saying is all these delays in updates are anyone but the developer's fault then I disagree.
If they update with something that's fine, I'm happy, if they don't then I am disappointed and will eventually forget.
It is not the driver's fault the roads aren't being built because people complained about them not being built.