Tiy: Pirate it, like it? Buy it, if not, delete it!

Regardless of Tiy's statement please keep this thread to the legal side of things regarding other games, we don't want to open Chucklefish up to issue with other companies.

 

A mod edited my post when I made this exact statement yesterday.

He didn't realize I was a time wizard, clearly.

 

Heh, as if we needed further proof that Tiy is awesome ^ ^


/enough said. Rest of the discussion is just a can of worms

 

Roger that, will do.

 

I don't want to sound insulting but did you read all of what I said? I was talking about people who pirate EA games because they hate them. Maybe I should of explained this in more detail.

I have no problems with pirates as long as their "demoing" or plan to purchase it when they get more money. When the pirates are ruining gaming by pirating for "revenge" or some other stupid reason then yes I stand by my statement.

 

i find it intresting tiy would say that, for one it proves he has a realistic outlook on the industry he is in. two, people who pirate games, pirate them anyway. theres several games iv bought over the years and wished i had pirated them, because i listened to the fake hype train about how awsome the game is going to be threw down my cash, and feel i have been robbed. such games mostly come from the big game devs, diablo 3 for example, was the biggest let down iv ever known for a game for me personally. chucklefish got it right tho i think, i only found out about starbound from the mindcraft player zisteau, chucklefish gave them early access knowing it was going to be good free advertising, so when i saw the gameplay i knew i wouldnt mind paying the low price they are asking

 

Good Game Dev Tycoon answer from Tiy. I personally believe that if a person is talented than regardless of whether or not people pirate their products they will still prosper from said product. Also good games/music that is pirated gets passed around via word of mouth/torrent like wild fire: It's great advertisement. I pirate things and pay for them when I like them. I also just outright buy things also, but it sucks thinking a game is going to be one thing and then spending hard earned money on something that feels like it took less effort than the work you put in to get the money you paid for the game. I understand both sides, a dev needs to eat and a gamer needs to game.

 

THIS!
Pirating is scum!

It`s like
"oh, I am "borrowing" this broom to test it",
"oh, i am not happy with this broom, so i am giving it back" (that would be the positive result, the negative one would be to not give it back)

So now there is a broom which get "tested" and "tested" from a view people, and with each testing it gets worse.

I know, it is a bad example.
Software is not the same thing, because it isn´t even directly "produced" in quantity.

BUT the pirated copy is still like "a piece of a product".

A good solution for testing would be "renting" (and if you want to buy, maybe you have to pay only the difference), but then you have to wage "hours" directly to money, which is impossible for most of the games, because of many reasons.

PS: Sorry for my bad english, it´s not my native language.

 

Going to the Shop , takes a cream cake , takes a bite ... thinks "nah not nice here is your cake back".

This game is the price of few cakes,treats or other such sweet things people fill their faces with .. Do what the honest people do save for a week and buy the game if money is that tight.

In this day and age any game that comes out there is a good chance that a friend will have purchased it . go ask them for a go or honest feedback on the qualities of the game . Then buy if it sounds good enough for you.

How many people are shelling out £40 for the latest fps or mmo games purely on hype only to find there buggy/not worth the money. Yet will look into obtaining a £12 pound game by other mean to test it first ... world has gone crazy.

Fact people dont fear the small indie developer odds of getting 10k+ fines or facing other legal action is small .... I can think of a word for this group of people but not going to flame.

I do understand the issues of financial situations in other countries but getting a game its hardly a starvation situation ie does not warrant theft.

 

I went through that before I bought this game last night. To be honest, when a game really caught my interest, such that it made me sleepless, and made me forget my other creative outlets, I will really buy it. I had this attitude with Minecraft at first, and then I told my parents that I'm gonna buy the game, then explained them that when I buy it, I don't have to buy the sequels because the games (even Starbound) will update themselves.

 

Tiy for game dev president 2013

As for the whole Pirating debacle, I just wait and look up several reviews for something before I buy it. No need to pirate when I've seen several people's opinion of the game.

 

Fixed that for you. No, no need to thanks me.

 

I've done that too, read alot of reviews then I pirated it for like 2 days, and now I bought it in a snap, because I had fun with it.. Minecraft on the other hand is, it took me like nearly a month before I legitimately owned it, in spite of good feedback and gameplay videos I've read and seen..

 

Not eating = death
Not playing games = not death

Math doesn't add up to me.

 

That is absurd. Drug store thieves are stealing physical items from a company that won't be able to sell that item they took because of it. No amount of piracy will decrease a company's inventory like stealing a physical product would. Heck, people that pirate aren't going to drop money on the game anyway. Those that pirate because they can't afford don't have the money to give the game companies anyway. But maybe through word of mouth they'll generate sales for the game they pirated.

Now I'm rather indifferent personally. I just know that if I'm pirating a game I certainly wasn't going to buy it anyway. But if I really dig a game I pirate, I do buy it. And I'm pretty sure that's the mindset of most people that pirate games.

 

If I was a cynical guy I'd say tiy said it to get the pirates trust and their money. Hotline Miami did this and gained a bunch of great PR from the stunt. But what I really want to believe is that he is just a nice considerate guy. This is a very popular stance for indie devs, the mcpixel dev supposedly visited some pirate sites as well asking the pirates to throw some money his way if they enjoyed it.
I won't bother getting into the debate of "is pirating ever ok", I'll be here all day long if I do that.

 

Valve doesn't fuck its consumers in the ass. I would never pirate anything from Valve because they have my respect.

EA releases a game for $60 then charges you extra for DLC on the first day of release.

 

The real evil ones (if you want to use that word) in the game industry (and others) are the large publishers. Like piracy on a conceptual level or not, it would not be taking any money from devs if the publishers were more honest and reasonable with their customers. Just like film trailers, game demos and trailers started out being a teaser or taster for the full product and have descended into this awful 'best bits' compilation where every good thing about the game is handed to you for free with the hope that you'll opt to buy it. Only once you have paid the publisher do you realise that there really isn't anything new or good in the full game and that the entire development cycle was just intent on making as good looking a trailer or demo as possible. Can you get your money back, though? Publisher says no. If you bought an apple because it looked nice but then bit into it and found the middle rotten and filled with worms, I doubt any shop would decline to offer you a refund and probably a voucher for the distress too, but there is nothing whatsoever like this from big game publishers. Once they have your money they simply do not care. DRM is then put in place to try and make it too much of a bother to pirate the game to try it first, knowing full well that it'll get cracked at some point, when the money spent on that nonsense should be going to the developers so they can make a decent game in the first place.

That said, this second age of indie gaming is a real godsend for everyone. No longer do we have to put up with the glossy turds that the big name publishers churn out of their 'reskin last years game' machine, and it's glorious to see what these little studios and individuals can come up with when they let their imagination loose. All the anti-piracy vitriol is just propaganda benefitting the large publishers. I say development studios should all put a donate button on their own site where you can give money directly to them, bypassing the publishers entirely. Only then would balance be achieved in the gaming industry, but of course that can't happen because the publishers won't pick up games from any studio that lets customers bypass them. The fact is that piracy does the job of the publishers better and cheaper than the publishers themselves do it, and they're railing against it instead of adapting and improving what they do because it's always easier to put someone else down than it is to get better at what you yourself do.

 

Typical.....

Don't buy the DLC. Don't buy the game and if you hate EA so much don't pirate their games and be a hypocrite. Your still not saying how you can justify not pirating Half Life 3 though.

 

Way back home, in the Philippines, I pirate officially English-translated jRPGs on my PSP and I kind of wished I'd like to help and pay back to the Japanese developers but I can't since the games are too expensive in the Philippines if bought officially in a UMD. But now when I lived here in the US, I somewhat repaid them by buying artbooks of their game and doing fanart, and I even befriended a Japanese game dev for it.

Now, this reminds me of buying a PS Vita and just for my jRPG fix (oh, I have PS3 and about to receive my copies of Tales of Graces and Xillia, and Ni no Kuni too).

Back to Starbound, will it be okay for my Philippine friends to get this through the Arrrrrrr! for now?