Tech Chest.

Look dude im not going to keep going, ive already explained why your thinking is flawed and if you still dont understand , you never will. The fact that a tech chest has a chance to contain no tech at all doesnt matter? Its a possible outcome so how does it not matter?

 

This could be possible. But I would think that the others would just be much rarer to get in a lower tier. Let's say a .005% to get this item in this chest in this tier.

 

Because the possible outcome of not having a tech is not factored into the chance to find a certain type of tech based on the other techs including the tech you are looking for. I'm trying to make this easy to understand, I'm not great at it.

If we were looking at the chance to find a certain tech per chest then you would be correct.

 

Yes it does... The OP said that he opened 5 tech chests in a row that were pulse jump. A possible outcome of the tech chests could of been they contained energy dash but also could of been that they contained no techs at all. When he says "Tech Chest" he is talking about a specific chest in the game.

 

Correct, and the chance for weight of a specific tech over others is done the way I'm trying to describe. I can't think of any other ways to explain it.

 

Ok so here is some mre anecdotal evidence for you guys who claim that there is not a problem with tech generation

again this is only a small sample but i found 4 different techs before the character wipe bubble boost rocket jump [pulse jump energy dash there is also butterfly boost and targeted blink as well as morphball that is at least 7 people have reported getting all of them which means they are all implemented.....

on to my anecdotal evidence in my first new character after the weapons damage patch i opened 2 tech chests on my first planet pulse jump and pulse jump i then proceeded to go to another planet finally got energy dash needless to say over the course of that characters walk through alpha and beta i got 14 techs all pulse jump and energy dash at about a 9 : 5 ratio

I made another character that has killed the ufo but not been to any beta planets yet she has opened 7 tech chests 4 pulse jump 3 energy dash a 4 : 3 ratio

there are a few hypothesis

1. tech was tied to the level of the planet the higher the level the better the chance of what the game was programmed to consider was better tech which didn't get effectively changed in the new system.
2. tech generation numbers are incredibly biased towards the basic crappy techs creating an over abundance of them leading to diminishing enjoyment at running tech facilities. ( it really isn't fun going oh another tech facility and getting to the end of damn my 8th pulse jump )
3. Tech generation is actually messed up right now and needs to be looked at.
4. I have the worst( or best at hitting astronomical odds) luck in the game and honestly should be playing the lottery since if i can make odds like these work my chances of winning the lottery should be damn near guaranteed.

 

Yes of course but were talking about a possible issue witht eh RNG and we want to look at it as if this streak of 5 was a bug or not. Your way is useless because it doesnt factor in the possible outcome of the tech chest containing no tech.

If the OP said that he got 5 techs today and they were all Pulse Jump then your way would be valid. That is not what he said. He said he opened 5 Hi Tech Chests and they all contained Pulse Jump. See the difference?

 

all actual tech chests contain tech there are only 2 places that i have seen the blue tech chests are used 1 being inside apex labs with a tesla spike maze the other being inside these metal diamond shape temple things that have hostile npcs in them the first always has tech as long as the dungeon has spawned with a chest the second never has tech.

 

If the streak of 5 is a bug pertaining to tech generation, then I'm not wrong.

If you're worried that the tech has too high of a chance of spawning over any other item that can spawn in a High Tech Chest, you are correct.

This isn't indicative of weight, mostly because of the low numbers.

 

I've opened alot of Hi tech chests that havent contained a tech. I dont know exactly how the RNG works or if certain tech chests are guaranteed to have a tech in them. I guess thats possible.

 

You're explaining it very simply enough without having to resort to mathematical lessons on Probabilities, Odds, and the like.


Perhaps I can attempt to explain it better.

Each "Tech" chest has a percent chance to hold a Tech, let's say, 95%

the Techs available in said chests vary. Pulse Jump, Energy Dash, Bubble, Gravity, Mech, likewise. Let's assume varying techs have a percentage chance to appear.

Perhaps looking at Tier 1 planets alone we would have:

Pulse Jump would appear 80% of the time
Energy Dash would appear 15% of the time
Bubble 2.5% of the time
Gravity .25% of the time
and Mech would be another .25% of the time.

so, If that's all done like so, the chances to get a tech would be as follows:
(Note that I am actually rolling Dungeons and Dragons' Percentile Dice for this, so the outcome will be random)

World loads, chests are filled:
World determines TECH chest is added to planet, filling contents:
Rolled for Pulse Jump, added to chest.
Rolled Ores: ores rolled..... Silver, 5 Silver ore added to chest
Rolling explosives... Failed, Explosive not added
Rolling Pixels..... Pixels rolled, rolling amount for Tier one..... 25 Pixels added to chest
Rolling random..... Random passed, rolling random supplies....
Medical Kit x1
Rope x1
Instrument Rolled: Rolling for chances:
Instrument rolled "Ocarina" adding to chest...

Chest generation complete.


It would happen for every chest o a given world. Note that the above rolls are very lucky for a Tier 1 world, and would not be easy to locate, if at all.

 

Still... the chance that the same tech would appear 5 times would be (1/(number of techs in existence))^5 ...... yes each time you get a tech you have the same chance to get a specific one but in probability if your talking about consecutive events, thats how you calculate the chance.

 

First off, this post will contain Spoilers.
Second, I have never found a tech chest without a tech in it (Using the large apex dungeon as an example, they always have a tech in them).

I've been digging through the game files quite a bit recently, here are my findings:

In a tier 1 chest, you can only find dash and pulse jump, the relevant code is

"pool" : [
[0.33, [ "doublejumpTech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "dashTech-chip", 1] ]
],
"poolRounds" : [
[1.0, 1]

]
I'm not sure what 'poolRounds' does, I assume this sets the 'chance of getting something' to 100% atleast 1 item.

In tier2 you can additionally find gravity neutralizer, rocket jump, morphball, butterfly boost, and gravity bubble. There are equal odds of picking up anything that can come out of a tech chest.

Tier3 adds Mech, Blink, and bubbleboost, here's the relevant code for tier3:

"pool" : [
[0.33, [ "humanMechTech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "targetblinktech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "bubbleboost-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "doublejumpTech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "dashTech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "hoverTech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "rocketjump-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "morphballTech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "jetpackTech-chip", 1] ],
[0.33, [ "butterflyboost-chip", 1] ]
],
"poolRounds" : [
[1.0, 1]

],

 

This makes a lot more sense of the chances to get such items. Nice find.

 

Cool nice find. So it looks like a tier 1 chest can either spawn with no tech, with energy dash, or with double jump.

 

You sire have saved me a splitting migraine, explaining something I feared prior to this. I will start my explorations,and hopes that I can locate some fuel....
Also, I need to find out how to kill the Dragon, my best ranged weapon is the stock Hunting Bow X.x

-Ruukoto

 

I believe it's actually 100% chance to find one, because if it's only 33% of one, the other, or nothing, why have I always found one after looting more than 10 tier1 tech chests? This is what I think the 'poolRounds' value does, I just haven't verified it yet.

 

I literally just opened a Hi Tech chest that had only 10 red petals in it. It was in a dungeon... the same type of dungeon that has the thing that spews out matter blocks.

There is definitely a large chance a tech chest will not contain a tech

EDIT: Just opened another one in that same dungeon...5 platinum ore

 

When I say 'Tech chest" I don't mean the chests which are named tech chest, I mean the individual chests you find alone in large apex dungeons that use these specific loot tables.

 

What colour was the "Tech Chest" that you found in the dungeon?

Techs i've only found in *GREEN* Tech Chests, BLUE Tech Chests are dungeon loot