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Stormquake's Character Tier List V 1.0.2

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Stormquake, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. Corrupt Ai

    Corrupt Ai Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    It's probably the maneuverability. It does make it easier, being able to attack while running.
     
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    • gamerzap

      gamerzap Orbital Explorer

      Yeah, but most of the other characters are really good at avoiding attacks too, and huntress has awful stats and no crowd control. Besides, most of the enemies in the later levels are faster than her, and it doesn't matter if you can move while shooting if enemies will catch you anyway.
       
      • reVelske

        reVelske Pangalactic Porcupine

        She's by far the easiest class to play, that's about it.

        (Forum has sure been dead, wish there's some ways for RoR to get more exposure, but at this point, I don't see how that'll ever happen)
         
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        • Jazter

          Jazter Industrial Terraformer

          I don't see what's so hard to understand about why people like the Huntress. She can move while ATTACKING. Who cares how good other characters are at running away if they can't fight while doing so(Bandit). The enemies won't catch you as the Huntress because you can just, go the other way, climb a platform, and she has a dash skill. You can out maneuver many things while killing them.
           
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          • gamerzap

            gamerzap Orbital Explorer

            Yeah, and that makes her easy, but it doesn't make her good. She has awful stats, no dodge, no crowd control, and later you need maneuvarability items to do well as her because enemies will outrun you otherwise, and even if they don't they'll hit you with ranged attacks. If you don't know how to avoid getting covered in enemies as the other characters you will definitely do better with Huntress, but otherwise she doesn't really stand out.

            I do agree she definitely has an advantage over the bandit, but that's because the bandit has to spam his primary to do anything and his escape skill has a super long cooldown, so it's really hard to avoid huge groups of enemies.
             
            • Jazter

              Jazter Industrial Terraformer

              You keep saying enemies will out run you, but you understand that most enemies stop to attack you when you get in range right? So with the Huntress, and every other character, you just keep walking and they won't hit you. Now if it's something like a Parent that has a wide attack range, the Huntress has her blink ability to create more space. If a Clayman roll nears you or behind you, you can blink out of the way, go the other way, or do the old fashion, but very effective, JUMP. Most ranged attacks in this game are easily avoided. Red missiles from orange elites? Keep moving, they only hit where you were, and not where you're going. Same thing for Wandering/Young Vagrant attacks, they attack where you were and not where you're going. Missiles from Mechanical Spiders? Jump nigga, they go in a straight line on the floor.

              I feel like you're purposely going against the Huntress' power because she's easy, over played, and a little bit over hype. But that's what happens when anything gets popular. She's popular because she's strong and is very good at what she does, which makes it easy for people to learn it. I don't like the Huntress, she's too boring since all you have to do is hold down your basic attack key and press left or right, but I'd be a fool to say she's not one of the stronger character. On flat terrains, her kiting is optimized because she probably won't have to jump and accidently shoot over things, so being able to constantly deal damage is a very strong aspect of her class.
               
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              • gamerzap

                gamerzap Orbital Explorer

                Don't get me wrong, I think like she's one of the stronger characters, and among the strongest. She's undoubtably the easiest character to use. It's deabatable whether she is the strongest, but she definitely isn't bad. I just feel like she is heavily overrated. Everyone on the steam forums, which people actually post on more than once a week, seeems to think she is some sort of godsend and that it is impossible to lose with her. It seems to be the case in this list too. Stormquake calls her "a force of destruction unrivaled in this game." I'd say she is more like second tier, because there are a few other characters where it is just as easy to avoid attacks once you get the hang of them. For example, engineer is almost as mobile as huntress because blink makes almost no difference (short range, moderate cooldown, no invincibility), and his grenades have gravity so he can jump and attack and hit enemies without stopping. He's definitely less mobile than her, but he actually has crowd control and his damage is absurd.
                 
                • Jazter

                  Jazter Industrial Terraformer

                  If that's the case then why not present the classes you think go above her.
                   
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                  • gamerzap

                    gamerzap Orbital Explorer

                    Mercenary definitely does, acrid probably should, sniper might (but that's probably my play bias, I've always had a much easier time with sniper than with other classes), engineer might.
                     
                    • Jazter

                      Jazter Industrial Terraformer

                      If I had to make one on how fast you can clear the game on Monsoon, I'd put Miner, Sniper, Huntress and maybe Acrid at the top.
                       
                      • gamerzap

                        gamerzap Orbital Explorer

                        I haven't played Miner much, so I don't know how good he is, but I'll have to try him out some more later.
                         
                        • Dzumeister

                          Dzumeister Subatomic Cosmonaut

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                          • DJFlare84

                            DJFlare84 Spaceman Spiff

                            You keep talking about how other characters can avoid attacks just as well (if not moreso) just by practicing with them, but that's entirely why the Huntress is better at this. She requires no practice whatsoever. You're basically trying to say ease-of-use shouldn't be considered a factor, but it totally should. When a task requires more complexity or work, it's difficulty increases, meaning that even though it's POSSIBLE to dodge things as nimbly as the Huntress, it's also harder, meaning you can screw it up. Potential to screw up is also an important factor (if not THE most important), and Huntress's is very low. The lowest, in fact.

                            Keep in mind that this tier list doesn't take into account looping, so we can't take into account potential beyond simply running straight to the final stage and winning, which Huntress is the best at.

                            I have to admit, though, that I plain do not LIKE The Huntress. She's very easy, yes, but that kind-of makes her a little boring. Especially considering how badly her damage scales. Yes, she can just keep outrunning things forever and pick at them until they die, but the amount of kiting she needs to do seems to increase drastically per level making it more and more of a chore. She's still the best, but it's like being invincible and having an attack that does 1 damage. It'll get boring quick...
                             
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                            • gamerzap

                              gamerzap Orbital Explorer

                              I definitely think she is the easiest character, but this is a tier list based on character strength. Ease of use should be a minor factor at best (otherwise bandit would have to be far higher).
                               
                              • Ennbeard

                                Ennbeard Orbital Explorer

                                A bit of a bump.

                                Hey look I fixed that for you.

                                I think the fact that we've determined pretty much any character can solo monsoon with no items (maybe not easily) means every character is usable and 'good'. Risk of Rain is a single player game, and characters being 'better' than others doesn't mean much if we're talking completion. Sure, some characters can do it EASIER *coughhuntresscough*, but that's beside the point. I will say that I think the Sniper is a very DIFFICULT class to play and as a result a lot of people may think it bad.

                                The problem with tier lists in a single player game is there needs to be some sort of metric. In Risk of Rain, perhaps it's speed running. Mind you even that is more item dependent than character dependent even WITH easier classes, and that puts a bit more focus on mobility and movement speed than it does fighting skills.

                                I think at THIS point in the game's life, any sort of 'tier list' should be focused around a specific goal that is measurable and testable, as opposed to arbitrarily arguing which class is the "best" at... nothing in particular. Enforcer, for example, has a lot of amazing tools at clearing regular mobs, can easily deal with crowds due to EVERYTHING being AoE and has crowd control built into every move in his kit sans S&P, yet I would still argue he is one of the harder classes due to a lack of mobility, weaknesses to bloody missile elites, and a subpar Providence fight (he wrecks the worms though).
                                 
                                • MileWithoutASmile

                                  MileWithoutASmile Yeah, You!

                                  wow, this is really great list. I played only for an hour with friend in coop. I guess I'll push for huntress unlock in next playthrough :)
                                   
                                  • wall57

                                    wall57 Subatomic Cosmonaut

                                    NOT COOL REVIVE OLD TOPICS!

                                    #topic
                                    commando is 1st class ingame, must not be tiered... he's bad cuz hes 1st surv... hes good cuz its the 1st surv
                                     
                                      Last edited: Oct 29, 2014
                                    • DJFlare84

                                      DJFlare84 Spaceman Spiff

                                      STORMQUAKE MAN HEY C'MON. YOU GOT TWO NEW CHARACTERS TO ROLL OUT. THE CHEF HAS DETHRONED THE HUNTRESS GET TO WORK.
                                       

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