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if you really are launching something, then I suggest loudcity.net which I believe to be a good and still cheap enough solution. That is, if you can find someone willing to host the broadcast server for you.

Im not sure how much of a success a web radio station for this game would have so far away from release and how to maintain interest up to the release.

 

Hello, I think you need to do some research before saying such things as "the OP may have just realised it wasn't as easy as he had hoped". One thing to know about me, if sh*t gets tough, I get tougher, nothing stops me.

I know full well it was not going to be easy.
Anyway, I will lay down what has happened since this has been delayed by months.

The partner that I was doing this with foolishly went and got married and had a very sexual honey moon
Also during this time, my work at Creeperhost got extremely heavy due to failure of equipment and I had to be called in to do this for about 1 month, it was nothing but work work work. Also I had to finish my part-time college work as well which threw a spanner in to the works and I also had another spanner thrown into the works by meeting this girl.

We are planning this still, we do have the setup going, I just need to finish college and then we are going to start this up again. Way to many wrenches thrown at me by a man in a wheelchair recently.

Hope that has cleared up some confusion.

Regards
Luke_H

 

Ok ... "Finish College" ... how long will that take ? Cause, to me this sounds like anything from a few months to a couple of years ... ?

Maybe we should start up a "lite" version of this to get things rolling and to not leave the djs hanging ? Just because i have another project that would like my help. This here is a priority for me, but if nothing happens, i will give the slot to them ...

 

I think maybe he means this semester...almost end of semester anyways. And just wondering how is this going to be broadcast out to everyone? (as in how will Starbounders hear it?)

 

Why should anyone wanting to make a community project, like a web radio, wait around for this dude to begin with? Cause he dodged all my questions to begin with. Cause the big warning sign here was when he mentioned that people could make money of from it as well. That is not happening, trust me!

He said that if things get tough, he gets tougher, and nothing stops him. Yet here I see a few wanting to do this, yet he puts it all aside, and not even willing to work together with those willing to pitch in. Where any workload would be much smaller if people co-operate on a project like this. I got much higher hopes for those that have posted in here showing a willingness to get into web radio, than in the OP himself.

Luke_H: Could you please not doge the questions I posted, and reply to them, even though your saying that you yourself is delaying the project you set out to make. Cause me and some others got really interested in the topic, but less so when having so many questions unanswered.

You tune in to the station, just as you would to any other web radio station. Just that this one would focus on this game, and hopefully have some nice talk shows and perhaps even competitions related to the game itself. Cause if its only playing music, then you could just play whatever music you wanna hear yourself.

You would "hear about it" from these forums, and perhaps even from the devs news-letter if they got one, and if they wish to promote a community project such as this. Most devs love to help get the info out to those following the game, about projects like this.

 

I honestly don't think people should be doing this FOR THE MONEY. It should be more of a listen and tune in kind of thing, where it is fun and friendly. Money wise, I really have no care for, but a fun and active broadcast would be better.

 

Well i've been "working" online as a dj before, and i agree with scream112, you indeed do not make alot. Sometimes people will tip you and every once in a while you get lucky with that, too. But apart from that, there's no money to be made, no matter how much effort you put into it. That's not the point for a dj to do this, though. There's two very valid points why a dj would do this: 1. They get heard, yay for free promo. 2. They do it because it is fun.

Nathan: If you are interested in how a web braodcast work, i suggest you do a search for shoutcast or icecast, it all explains itself pretty much.

Well, as i said, i want to do something, and from my perspective, the sooner the starboundians hear the station, the better. If nothing happens here soon, i'll give my free weekly slot to another station, cause they keep asking me and i think it's kinda lame to keep telling them that i am waiting for another project to start. :/

 

I had to register just to weigh in on this - amateur producer here. I love to see this kind of project spring up and I think Scream and Hitch both have some good ideas and points to bring up.

Just a thought -- this sort of game and community may not lend itself to a large enough body of regular listeners to make a radio station worthwhile, ESPECIALLY at this phase of the whole development process and product life cycle. I'd love to see something like this, but rather than something so ambitious as a radio station with the intention of (what sounds like) many hours of streaming and programming per week for what may realistically be a community of several hundred listeners at peak, it may be much more prudent to work on something like a weekly or bi-weekly community podcast.

A podcast would be much cheaper than streaming web radio and would allow for a higher overall quality with significantly lower exposure to risk for those involved. You could pull in the talent from a greater portion of the community because the main producer(s) in charge could better orchestrate the program than a handful of producers working only within their timeslots. Also, the people with the talent to make something great would be more free to do so without fear of some kind of crazy ongoing time commitment.

With a podcast, all of the ideas that would have sort of weakly filled up your time slots between hours of dubiously-licensed (and expensive) streaming that may or may not have been listened to can instead be distilled into an hour or two per week of densely packed, quality community content, and it would be beamed straight to everyone who wanted to listen, WHEN they wanted to listen. If you really want people to hear it live, you can stream the podcast on a site like mixlr before you release the download.

Just my two cents - I'd love to see something take off.

TL;DR -- Do a weekly podcast instead of a radio station. It's cheaper, easier, more accessible, and will end up being higher quality with the help of community collaboration.

Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't throw a few of these out here:

StarTalk
Starbound LIVE
Starcast
Starbound FM

Simple is good, too much cleverness can be diminishing

 

Hmmmm, yes and no. I'm a DJs, i can be a moderator, and a podcast will still give us almost the same license problems that a live station will be giving us. Seriously, i was never under the impression a small project like this would have had the potential to realise a 12 or even 6 hours program a day. At best i would have imagined a 2 hour program per day, i personally have one slot per week to offer, no more.

A podcast in itself has a rather static structure to me, and gives very little room for live improvisation, that i like to do. Going overtime is right out of the question with these, because you simply lack the direct feedback required to motivate a dj to drive the gig foward.

However, all that said, i'm also not strictly against podcasts, i only fear they could limit us perhaps to a more one sided way of doing things. One of my personal goals was for example to give people something cool to listen to _while_ they are playing, other then offering something that they absolutely have to fully concentrate on, like a discussion. Though i daresay, i would have my fair share of things i'd like to voice out on this game, especially with the news constandly flowing, but i'd reserve that for an event were that discussion is the whole point.

I'm not sure a podcast gives me a way to really do this. I don't know about the others here, but i really thrive on direct live feedback.

 

There sure is something special about being live. I have never done a podcast, but have released the shows in an archive for download afterwards. (With music breaks edited out) and that have been very popular as you never can have everyone willing to take part tuned in at the same time.

Again Im here as I got interested, but I clearly lack the time to run a station again. Did that for some years successfully, focusing on an MMO game, but am working on an evolution of that. Im thinking that perhaps the thing Im working on could run a weekly episode/show for this game? So let it not be a station but still a program to tune in to? However Im working towards the webTV model on this new project, and while you dont have to show a face, its not really fit for "music-programs" as much, unless you run 100% license free music. But it is perfect for talk-shows and perhaps even interviews with the devs.

 

Not for me then :/

 

Sorry in advance for the monster post, but I should be a little bit more clear about my reasoning for suggesting a podcast over a radio show:

-Licensing would be cheaper not because podcasts get some sort of preferential treatment for licensing purposes, but because you would primarily be using speech and/or community created content as per the structure of a podcast as opposed to simply streaming music, so you would have much less or even nothing (if you play your cards right) that would need to be licensed.

-On the topics of live feedback, community interaction, and improvisation, there's no reason that a podcast couldn't be prerecorded and split into pieces that are then 'hosted' by a DJ before the final production goes up for download (much like the way in which many popular radio shows operate before uploading the recordings for podcast listeners)

-A podcast only needs to be as one-sided as a live show would need to be one-sided. The difference is that the community collaboration would happen in advance of everyone hearing the final product. Submissions, interviews, all forms of community contributions can be taken into account. Plus, supplementary material can be prepared to accompany the recording as a sort of package, link lists or transcripts or images or video or anything else makes for a more compelling draw

-People like their own music. I can only speak for myself here, but two hours a day of DJ'ed music has very little appeal to someone like myself who is a music lover with hundreds of hours of song selections in my own collection. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I'd much rather tune in to news or interviews or events or cool community projects related to the game and the community, as opposed to a list of songs that someone thinks would be neat to listen to while gaming.

I don't mean to come off as condescending or dismissive at all, only to point out that your demographic come launch time, for those of you who may have had some experience with this sort of thing in the past, is going to be very different and much more isolationist or compartmentalized than, say, the typical MMO community. I suppose the direction to move depends on where your passions lie, and what your end goal is. If you're passionate about getting a radio station going and DJing for the community then that's awesome and would definitely be an asset to the community. If your passion lies more in just trying to make something that the largest segment of the community will want to get involved in, I think there are more compelling approaches.

Either way, I won't likely be directly involved as I have my own responsibilities, so wherever this goes: Cheers!

EDIT: Just as a side note, cAtraXx, you mention that 'going overtime' would be out of the question with these, and I feel compelled to point out that pretty much any editor or producer will tell you that 'going overtime' should pretty much ALWAYS be out of the question unless you have good reason. Constraining your running time is about more than just staying within your time slot.

Web TV sounds weird. Anyone here particularly photogenic?

 

My project has nothing to do with this game, just make that clear.

2nd, webTV put in other words would be "streaming". Ever heard of Twitch.tv or Justin.tv? Even youtube now got a service just for that purpose. And you know that when google gets involved, it is big. Streaming of gaming content, and webtv productions which I think is a more appropriate word for it, is huge and growing rapidly.

And I wont say Im photogenic, cause that is my biggest worry for myself but doing web tv shows dont mean you got to show your face. all I did here was suggest that my project could fit a show dedicated towards this game, no problem.

 

Djing is a tad bit more then just offering a "list of music" you like. If that's all you do, you're doing it wrong.

As to going over time: If you manage to get a radio station going that has a 24/7 live programme, then what you say is true, but really, this will NOT happen. I can 100% guarantee you this. And therefore there will be more then enough time up for grabs and i'm also very certain that a manager would be more then happy if i can keep people listening for more then just two hours. That being said, a club owner would tell you the same if the crowd wants you, especially if you#re the last act of the day.

With this in mind, yes you can do a podcast, just like the millions of others out there. There's some people on youtube already covering Starbound pretty damn well, i don't see that having any success. If you offer the people something they can tune into at any given time and just listen, having a show per day, regular events were people discuss, etc, that sounds etter to me.

 

Radio staton ZOMG!

 

I cant wait to see how this turns out, its probably going to be brilliant

 

Hello.

I'll be honest with you, and straight up with you, I do not like your attitude at all, and I would not like you as part of the team when this starts to go live, you are far too impatience and you act like the attention needs to be around you. Also, if you needed questions answered since you seem to be in a rush all the time, just e-mail or add me on Skype like the rest of the community did.
I'm sorry that I have caused inconvenience to you with my personal life and my co-workers personal life, I will try and set it aside so that your conscience can be settled......

Also the thread was never meant to be massive, it was made when Starbound and Creeperhost collaborated, it was something small and precise. It's only going to be a small side-project for now, and then it will eventually build up, we don't need to have a massive setup for something so insignificant, it's called "wasting resources".

Also someone mentioned about licensing etc, don't worry, it is all covered, since I'm studying the musical area in College I get given nearly everything to do everything with the music industry anyway, so it is all totally legal. Plus I have had a word with Spotify and they said they are licensed for DJs to use their playlists etc, as long as it is premium.

As for the "payment" thing, it was a bit of encouragement, and in the possible future yes it can happen from advertisements if you really are a good DJ/Streamer, it can happen believe it or not.
Also, I have about two weeks of College left and this will be my first project of the Summer.

Regards
Luke_H

 

My attitude? How have I been impatient? You shouldn't go off and start a forum thread about something, then drop of the face of the earth without any reply to what is going on, as you never gave any info about when this was going to launch, cause your thread kind of implied that it was in a soon to be future... cause the thread has gotten somewhat old by now. If you think Im being impatient when it is you who left your thread unattended, you probably are just reading my posts the wrong way. Cause it did look as if you had gone "bye bye" on this.

If anything I think it is you who got an attitude, cause of the way you respond to me simply pointing out the fact that you ignored my questions, which i felt was very legitimate ones.

You start a thread, meaning for it to be small and precise. Also meaning for the project to be a small side-project. It didnt sound like that from your OP (Which has been edited since then). Did it? With the requirements you set up, it absolutely did NOT sound like a small time project. Also where have anyone talked about any "massive setup". Trying to teach me or us what wasting resources mean is just cute. Still not an answer to any of my questions.

Hey, I dont mind you doing it "underground" and having the radio being a "pirate station". A LOT of web radio stations are just that. However as soon as they attract big enough attention, usually a few e-mails from certain lawyers start coming to your inbox. But you should definitely get it in writing that your college will cover all the license fees that are required for you to broadcast a web radio if you are serious about it being legal. Cause the lawyers wont stop at your word that you "got it covered by studying music".

You had a word with spotify? There are a lot of variations and levels of licensing and for what it is used for and such. Yes DJs are allowed by spotify, to use their software when DJing and that counts for them as "owning" the music as they must before broadcasting or performing at a club. THEN they have to pay the license that cover them playing at the club for the audience, which spotify premium does NOT cover. Mostly the club owner got that covered though. Same applies to broadcasting music on a web radio. You pay a license for the right to BROADCAST, that does not allow you to broadcast downloaded music or such. But you also have to OWN the music by legal means, and here I could guess that the word you had with spotify was about the premium service being accepted as a way of "owning" the music in legal terms. Sorry but just getting spotify premium and then broadcasting on a web radio does not cover it. Trust me, because then everybody would be doing so as that would be CHEAP AS F-CK compared to any other legal solution.

You dont have to tell me what to believe or not, cause I have been there and done that. Now that might sound cocky, and thats possibly where you got the feeling I came on here with some attitude. But you got to realize, that your OP before you edited it, was looking as if you was out on deep water. Just the fact that you DID mention people might be getting paid, you should not EVER put that out as an incentive to apply. Cause what you want is the die-hards that do it because it is fun, and NOT because they might get paid. You make it sound however that you got experience from making money of from web radio so perhaps you could tell me of that experience so that I can get a sense of from where you are coming?


I never came on here to bash on you, however as the thread kept growing and people wondered where you where, it wasnt wrong of me or anyone to assume that you had left the building was it? You cant come on and be all "Oh noes, you got attitude against me not being active in here?" because of that. Chill a bit, try and realize that the old un-edited OP and reading the beginning of this thread got me somewhat excited, as a silent follower of Starbound and something you might call a veteran of web radio, I wanted to know more. I also wanted to know more about the requirements you put out and as to why those where as they where. Now you can take that as being cocky or having an attitude, OR you could take that as to someone being curious. There is NO NEED for YOU to get all bossy on my ass. You could instead have been humble enough to actually admit you have never done web radio before and taken the opportunity to ask those in this thread that DOES know about it, as I seen there should be 1-2 more than me who have replied that seem to know what they are talking about, and gotten some good solid knowledge and information out from it.

Now Im most likely coming of as pretty rude and unfriendly in my response right here, but that is what you get when you reply to me as you just did.

PS: I never intended to apply to your "team". Guess one cant be interested or curious about such a project otherwise?

 

Holy crap dude, calm down. This is gonna happen eventually. No need to rush or hate on it for what he meant or didn't mean for it to be, just let it happen.

 

Spotify ? Uhm ... isn't spotify an online music storage system or something? I don't see what this has to do with internet radio. What i need as a dj is a streaming server: Shoutcast or Icecast, nothing else. I am not just uploading things, i'm not justmaking playlist, i do stuff live. Also, what does their licensing have to do with this ? I really don't get it.

Ok two weeks sounds good.