Starbound is dumbing down?

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Hey all , So what I want to talk about today is the difficulty of the game..
First let me start by saying I know there are a couple threads that say something about difficulty but I believe they didn't make their point clear and weren't open to other people's opinions.

Okay so I believe that they are "Dumbing" this game down. Notice how I used the word "Dumbing" what I mean by that is the game was challenging to begin with, a hard boss and enemies doing actual damage and planet lvl's as high as 100 but before I get into some of these topics I would like to say that is the reason why they are dumbing the game so we can advance into the game quicker and look for bugs(and than change it back later) or are they just doing it because some people don't like dying or are they catering this game for a younger audience? Unfortunately I don't have those answers for you but here is some solid proof for you that they are dumbing the game down so you basically can't die.

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(Quote from Mollygos) "Nerf the hell out of birds, they no longer attack you at long range, lower damage, don’t follow you forever. "

Okay birds are supposed to attack at long range that's why they are in the air in the first place , lower damage?? Example of dumbing down the birds, Don't follow you forever well that's reasonable.

(Quote from Tiy) "Currently the damage system in Starbound is built around an armor penetration system. This system was put in place to account for the 100 planet levels, 100 monster levels and so on. Whilst the system works it leads to a difficulty curve that can be confusing to navigate as well as stats that are a little more difficult to understand. (A weapon that does 40 damage, only does 40 damage to a monster of the same level as the weapon. Otherwise as the distance between armor penetration/armor level grows the damage increases/decreases.)"

Another fine example of dumbing down, Enemies had armour and in order to deal damage to them your weapon had to have good armour penetration/Damage so your weapon will be more efficient. Planet levels went from 1-100 & now it's just 1-10 which this system doesn't work as it is because if you can handle lvl10 on tier 1 than you won't ever need to visit lower level planets on the other tiers which means less exploration.

(Quote from Tiy) "- Massively reducing the pixel cost (sometimes eliminating it entirely) on early weapons/armor. You can build a refinery in later tiers to turn ores of all kinds into pixels."

You no longer have to worry about dying now and losing your pixels because pixels are everywhere and if you run out don't worry because there is a machine that can make you pixels! Again so the pixel system is now dumbed down.

(Quote from Tiy) "Monsters now have a small chance to drop meat when killed with normal weapons. "

This one isn't as bad but it still takes away the whole hunt for your food idea if you can just kill everything with your powerful weapon and still have meat dropping.

(Quote from Tiy) "Bandages are now craftable with 4 plant fibres, no longer require fabric "
THIS ONE is very dumbed down! you are INVINCIBLE now!! You can cut down 1 fibre tree and craft 20 bandages from that 1 tree.. So basically you have unlimited supply of bandages so you have no excuse for dying now.

(Quote from Tiy) " Reduced fuel costs a bit to go to other planets"

I don't mind this one as much, So I'll let it slide.

(Quote from Tiy) " Pixel loss on death reduced to 20% for testing, might change further"

It better change later , I mean you all ready have the pixel making machine?

(Quote from Tiy) "Tweaked the UFO boss to make him smash blocks. Also make him a little bit easier by changing him to level 9 from level 10"

Him smashing blocks ruined my house (yes I put the beacon on my house lol) but I'm okay with that.. HOWEVER lowering his level was a mistake as of the time tier 1 was lvl 1-10 and than you go into beta(tier 2) which continued lvl 20-30 or something. It won't be long until they dumb the UFO boss even more I'm sure they already tweaked him twice now. & I think he deserves a name instead of always being called "The UFO boss" poor thing doesn't even have a name.

(Quote from Tiy) "Portable pixel printer coming in the next update"

Infinite Pixels :/

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So that sums up my list at this current time, do remember you guys this is only the 2nd update and they have dumbed it down this much, Only the 2nd update. So imagine the 10th update?? Get what I mean.

Anyway let me know what you guys think I like to always hear what you guys have to say about this and I opened a poll so be sure to select an answer to give me and others an idea on how many people agree or disagree on the dumbing down. Thank you for listening to me bye.

 

I completly agree, but maybe they made it a lot easier to help people testing end content.
If not,, then I really hope they'll give us several difficulty levels to play with and at the same time make everyone happy .( easy,, normal etc )

 

the flying enemies are too much at the start of the game. a single hit frequently knocks more than half your health off and it's insanely difficult to fight back until you get a decent ranged weapon. I don't mind there being ridiculously hard enemies AFTER I'm meant to have done the tutorial but beaming to a new planet with my first character and being killed in seconds by the equivalent of a winged tomahawk missile with lightning breath is more than a bit off putting, plus their corpses hurt you. that's annoying.

I got no issue with them using ranged attacks, I mean, makes sense, but their damage at the start of the game is too high. not to mention the ridiculous knockback.


The combat system WAS a bit wonky before the change over. It's a bit too simplistic now but the community is quite keen to see something beyond "big number = glory!" but the damage scaling is better than it was under the armour pen system. so although the system is less interesting, the results have been better for the time being. I'd like to see them ramped into something more interesting though.


The pixel cost reduction (I think, it was implied) only applied to starter equipment which again, is fair enough. you don't have the refinery until you defeat the UFO boss and you are likely to die a lot in the mean time.


The level range crunch (going from 100 to 10) I suspect is temporary. I'm not sure why they did it. with good combat system and better enemy variation, it won't actually be an issue, but there's no reason they couldn't ramp it back up again. I'm kinda indifferent about it myself but again, increasing it seems to be a popular request so, who knows?

 

You exaggerated a lot, And I mean a lot.

The armor penetration system sucked, To put it simply.

The flying enemies were far too much to handle in the earlier version.

The pixel cost was lowered because it was low-grade gear. Prices are still high for tier 2+ items.

But I do agree with you on the general dumbing down part. You can blame all the people who whined about the game being too hard for that.

 

Agreed.

 

i completely agree on the bandage one, besides, it really made sense that you made bandage out of fabric, not to mention that bandages are easy as fuck to create now. I agree with what you said, mostly.

 

The birds were two-shotting the fresh characters of new players. Immediate, unexpected difficulty spikes provoke extremely negative reactions for a substantial portion of the intended playerbase.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHavingFunGuys

6 of one, half-a-dozen of the other on armor penetration

People were dying early and often pre-bird-nerf. Having overly rough pixel-gates on weapons and armor to deal with the problem just made the frequent death experience more unsatisfying.

The change to bandages is a good thing. The players who needed them most now have a less frustrating time getting them.

 

Umm, this argument is over..most people agree the game needs to be more challenging now, but the birds and armor pen were annoying, you should not have brought this thread back to life.

 

It's only two days old, and the poll is what it is. (I was confused about who was talking to who here)

 

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It looked like a necropost to me, and what you said is no longer...a part of the game

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Thats an awesome user name you got there......

He meant me, I posted on here and deleted what I said because I decided it was a bad idea.Just becasue a user name is similar doesn't mean we are the same person..
That logic is flawed.

 

Do me a favor and read the OP. It's complaining about the way the game is now compared to what it was.

If you're not willing to do that- Stop talking to me and wasting my time and this thread space.

Edit: So what you're saying is that "one" of you "two" is trolling me. Great.

 

AWW I SEE. Sorry Evia it was this guy idiot that bumped the thread.

I still say it was a bad idea considering that this debate is over and most people want challenge.
I'm talking to YOU untrustedlife.

Nevermind..I don't care anymore this is pointless and i don't want the devs think i have two accounts when it is CLEARLY against the rules.

 

Um. Untrusted2 was created like what, a half-hour ago? Seems suspiciously sock-puppet.

 

I have had this account for many days, I was just lurkin. actually since tuesday.. Please don't try to make it look like what it isnt. /:

I just have time to reply to things now.. ..you know since it is Saturday.

Just because i disagree with you about something you try to get me banned....
I won't be though because i clearly am a different person...i doubt that guy has my email,steam name.. etc.

 

Can you give me the gist of what untrusted life said that prompted that response? From my perspective it looks like you were addressing me and are now doing something... else.

(although it seems like the forum software is partly to blame with how it appends recent discussion to the currently viewed page).

On the other hand: I'm not sure I want to bother with your explanation when the other guy is like this:

Seria-Myouna being a forum mod.

 

Well, so far, their dumbing down the early game, which is a good thing. It was too hard to play at first, but now it's better. Besides, they might just be changing the difficulty curve, anyway.

 

Oh, at first I was replying to you, i didn't realize untrustedlife had been the one to make this post alive again.

But apparently he did, and now others are replying to the thread.. so.. i don't care anymore

I just don't want the mods thinking I have an alt or he as an alt or whatever.

( I read the rules when i created the account and it said no alts allowed)

--lets just stop discussing this so we can both contribute in a positive way---

 

Nothing about this suggests anything.

Please put it in discussions.

 

How odd. Seeing as how you had no interest in typing in this thread before I did, there's no way to verify your concern with this thread one way or the other.

You seem overly concerned about this specific consequence while wavering between who you claim to have been responding to. If utL had not posted. It seems that you would still have have responded to me.

As long as you're preaching, might as well start practicing. At a certain point that report button is going to seem more appropriate than conversing, or letting you go on your way.