Some stuff about Weapon/Mob randomization

<x-adam1234-x> tiy do you know if you added a different type of weapon, would it create loads of alterations of it?
<@Tiy> sort of x-adam1234-x yeah
<x-adam1234-x> so that kind of makes any updates you add to the game more worthwhile
<@Tiy> well
<@Tiy> guns are built from pieces
<@Tiy> barrels, butts and.. middle bits
<@Tiy> so if i add a new gun, cut it up into those 3 pieces
<@Tiy> it will potentially be combined with every other existing piece
<@Tiy> for thousands more new guns
<x-adam1234-x> awesome
<@Tiy> not to mention all the randomisation on stats and whatnot
<x-adam1234-x> kinda like with terraria and certain stat changes
<@Tiy> nah this is very different
<@Tiy> the gun is built from the ground up
<@Tiy> think borderlands
<x-adam1234-x> oh ok
<x-adam1234-x> a question for the guns: Can you just find random guns or are you made to find the parts?
<@Tiy> you find guns
<@Tiy> not parts

<Dtb290> Isn't it pretty much the same system with monsters, Tiy?
<Dtb290> Adding a couple pieces adds thousands of new ones? xD
<@Tiy> we're looking into that now actually
<@Tiy> we have some predesigned monsters
<@Tiy> and those monsters are modded
<@Tiy> and given different colours, attributes, etc
<@Tiy> as well as some graphics changea
<@Tiy> but I want to see if it's possible to build one from the ground up as we're doing with guns
<@Tiy> I've got george experimenting with it
<XG_the_Toaster> building... monsters? spawning new species randomly from different "parts?"
<@Tiy> yeah I'd like to do that
<XG_the_Toaster> wow, nice
<@Tiy> its mostly a question of whether or not I can make it work without every monster looking completely ridiculous
<Dtb290> Its kinda how I always saw it.. the majority of monsters being made from, like.. head/chest/leg areas, and a few pre-made things like bad moon. o.o
<@Tiy> theres a lot of randomisation on the monsters
<@Tiy> but
<@Tiy> if I do it this way..
<@Tiy> say I make 100 legs, 100 bodies, 100 heads
<@Tiy> thats 100x100x100 monsters, 1000,000 monsters
<@Tiy> so making that work is a priority for me
<Dtb290> I suppose it depends on how well most pieces fit together though, tiy?
<@Tiy> yeah I think it's tough to make it work
<@Tiy> but if anyone can do it, george can

So there ya go! Straight from the big man himself! I think this way to do randomization will pretty freakin awesome... wait! THIS MEANS! IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET THE SAME GUN TWICE!! Dang, that'll be pretty rare though... This shall be my goal. To get two exact same weapons. DISCUSS!

 

Coolio :O
Imagine the chances! The number of Variations!!!!!

 

Sorry, I had to.

But in regards to the actual information, that sounds amazing. Very creative and clever indeed.

 

Di- did- did you really just say first? NO! NO NO NO! YOU'VE RUINED THESE FORUMS!!!

 

That's amazing. Seriously. This game is gonna be epic.

 

Are you kidding me? Your gonna get stripped of all your likes if you keep doing that.

 

Aw man! This game is gonna be sweet! DANGIT TIY! Y U BE SO AMAZING!

 

I've seen the exact same thing pasted somewhere before, I don't remember where though.
And yeah it's basically the Borderlands item system, it's been mentioned many times before but I don't think that many people really understand what it means.

The items work kinda like this:
http://images.wikia.com/borderlands/images/4/4b/Weapon_Components.png

See how the assault rifle there has multiple parts?
Once you get an assault rifle as a loot it gets all those parts at random.
Or rather some parts are always there and some not.

An assault rifle always has a body, a barrel and a clip, trigger etc. because it wouldn't make any sense to have one without them.
However parts like scopes aren't always there. Often they just have iron sights.
Weapons in borderlands rarely also had stuff like huge blades for meleeing.

The different parts affect different stats, so for example you could have a rifle with a barrel that gives it horrible accuracy, but also have an awesome clip part that gives it a super fast reload speed.


I dunno how many parts the weapons in Starbound are made of.
I doubt it's quite that many, but I'm guessing they'll have at least body+barrel+clip/battery.
From the sound of it it's at least three.

 

Thanks for the info. I've never played Borderlands so I was kinda just guessing.

 

Here's what tiy said on that:
<@Tiy> barrels, butts and.. middle bits

 

Like farming IS against the rules so... I wouldn't advice doing it.

 

Don't forget my undying vengeance.

It is coming.

 

Soo....
We could potentially have a double action battle rifle?
SCHWEETNESS

 

With all this randomization with weapons, I can't imagine how awesome PVP will be. It's no longer a matter of who hits who first, it'll be who has a better weapon that no one else has, and how they use it.

 

The only thing that bothers me here, All I saw is stats changing and design.
Now what I really expect from a 2D platformer like Starbound is to create that engine which is capable of
adding on effects and particles from the parts the weapon is made from.

Lets say, you have a Barrel that shoots explosive barrels, then when it hit something, you would get an explosion + having body with electricity charge,
When it flies it will have electricity particles and the explosion will make some electricity aswell, and maybe will make your enemies suffer from electricity debuff + having a BIG stock will also make you explosive
barrel a BIGGER projectile and BIGGER explosion.

If george can make this dream a reality, this will be more than awesome, the game will actually be unique.

 

Good.

 

yay now i can have a gun that no1 else has

 

Mmm. Just like I predicted. (I figured it might be comparable to Borderlands-generated guns.) o: I get all excited when I hear things about game mechanics like this. I've just never really had the guts to talk to a dev head-on about things like this though, so I pretty much just watch and wait.

 

If he really wants to put that with monster , he has to make sure that the color matches for most cases I think and that the pieces match , I mean the game could pick up a deer hea and put with eagle legs.Otherwise the game would just make a bunch of weird monsters

 

that's ok though, be ready for an army of chimeras!
lion claws/paws, body of a griffin, 3 serpent tails, head of a hawk and a 2nd head of a wolf with 6 giant bat wings
imagine fighting this thing

..and very strange guns too, but that is also ok with me

also, I'll most likely be spending hours alone just finding weapons, breaking them down and building new ones, always trying to 1up the last weapon i had..damn i cannot wait to play this game!
same goes for monsters too if i can keep creations as pets/body guards