So why do the floran hate the Hylotl?

Shame you can't grow trees like that in the game with a Floran or modify crops to grow super big and fast, haven't seen them do much with crops in game but it seems along lines with the rest. Although much of what they create could be directly compared to technology the other races use.

I wonder how involved the control process is to get trees to grow that big, is it a work all day for weeks/months things or a set and forget it thing. If it's set and forget then it's more powerful and dangerous then technology equivalents. If so a single Floran could build an entire village/town/city/world while doing anything it desires meanwhile. Talk about productivity!

 

I never said Floran are evil, though whether they are or not certainly could be debated based on the nature of evil. Floran certainly are self-serving in many aspects of their life, which is how a lot of "evil" people get started. Benefiting themselves and indifferent to the harm it causes others.

Interesting that I even linked where I said infighting is possible and you talk like I said it wasn't.[/quote]

Except here...

And here.

Apart from the fact that you have absolutely no reason to assume racial armor titles aren't lore, the descriptions of the pieces absolutely are. They're snapshots of the various roles in that society.

http://starbounder.org/Cannibal's_Mask

"The cannibal's mask contains razor sharp aegisalt teeth built to tear through floran flesh."

Also,

http://starbounder.org/Cannibal's_Chestguard

"Disgraced floran are thrown unarmored into an arena with a hungry floran cannibal."

It's pretty clear-cut stuff.

You assumed there isn't infighting See above examples.

I hope you have a good day as well.

This is pretty unrealistic. Floran might be able to manipulate plants via chemical signaling or simply advanced agricultural techniques (I'd expect the first) but they wouldn't be able to get a plant to do something it wouldn't do normally. Growing is something plants do normally. Even humans can grow giant pumpkins.

In addition, how exactly is a plant going to "drain the water" to any significant degree? A plant can only hold so much water, any extra will turn into water vapor and then precipitation.

An ocean planet would contain such an incredible amount of water that even plants that could "suck the water" wouldn't be able to do a significant dent in the amount of water, even in thousands of years.

Most likely, Floran drove Hylotl from their home by polluting the water in some way. Maybe a compound harmless to Floran but deadly to Hylotl. It could be overproduced by plants that already secrete the chemical, and that would be both plausible and effective.

Apex would be able to do the same sorts of things even better through genetic manipulation. Maybe not faster, but it's more flexible and has greater potential for bioweapons.

Or you know, a nuclear weapon.

 

order of eclesia was great.

 

A whole lot of assumptions posted above with little to nothing backing them up.

First thing, the Florans are plants, but it says flat out in the racial description that they don't value the environment. They aren't a bunch of tree huggers. They stab other floran as much as they stab any other stranger that wanders into their encampments. Several in-game floran tell hylotl players that they don't personally hate them but its difficult to overcome the long history and propaganda. In other words the Floran tell the other Floran they should hate Hylotl because the Hylotl are the enemis of the race.

In a large way the Florans act like children. They believe what they are told and they are very quick to enthusiastically embrace anything they are taught. Greenfinger talks about the glitch teaching the florans how to write and the florans go around writing on everything. He also says this is preferable to when they were taught to paint. Greenfinger also says that the glitch are successful because they are difficult to stab and can't be eaten. So a glitch that is willing to humor the floran after being lightly stabbed would probably get along well with a village of floran.

Also take a look at the recipes that Floran receive when they start. If you haven't noticed they include a lot of plant material. Floran merchants sell various vegtables and fruits for consumption. They aren't above eathing plants as well as animals. Apparently they don't like trying to eat metal.

All in all it isn't that the Floran are evil, its that the entire race is encouraged to stab anything they can get away with if it improves their situation. Not enough food? Stab something. The visitors have nice stuff you want? Stab them when they aren't expecting it. Things really tough where you are? Stab a space traveler and take his ship.

Also the Hylotl are peaceful, not good. They are highly opinionated and vocal. It isn't any wonder why a high strung race like the Florans want to use their number one social skill to shut them up.

 

They are masters of nature in a slave master kinda way.

I read playful stabbing. Anyone else lol?

 

...I'm not sure if you are hearing any of what you are saying, because it is very silly.

You're literally contradicting yourself.

"This isn't anything like what really happens"
"If we make it happen in a game it'll happen in real life"

Your two points are at odds with one another.

Writing war in a science fiction indi game will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go to encourage war of any form.

Writing a race of plant people that go about and eat people alive, does not encourage people to perform hate crimes.

And still, comparing a race of carnivorous plants who's favourite activity is stabbing, going about eating fish people because of reasons that have not been made clear yet, to homophobic and violent remarks made against a group of real people for not agreeing with someones view of sexuality, is still highly dismissive of real problems in the world.

Writing a perfectly peaceful universe would very quickly remove the vast majority of the immersion of the game, and would remove all conflict, and thus one of the most important features of a story from the game.

The human race NEEDS conflict, t's just the way we work, in stories and in real life, without conflict, life stagnates.

This isn't even "hate" this is a species at odds with another one.

This is the mongoose and the snake.

Perhaps if all Hylotl were gay, and were being killed because of THAT, maybe, maybe that might be a problem, but really this is so far from anything to be complained about I have no idea why you're even trying.

 

What does that have to do with anything?

 

Do NOT put words in my mouth, I did not say this will happen in real life. What I am saying is we already have enough hate in real life, why emulate even more hate? And I am just not saying there needs to be total peace, I mean you have to defend yourself from monsters and bosses and whatnot. I am trying to say the races shouldn't be pinned at each other this harshly.

 

Many of the races are NOT pinned against one another.

And why would they not be pinned against each other.

One of the races literally eats people.

Are you saying everyone should be friendly to the man eating plant monsters?

Or are you saying that the plant monsters shouldn't eat people?

Because by that point, you're rewriting race characteristics and replacing interesting flawed, three dimensional races, with two dimensional mary sue animal crossing lookalikes.

Also, you said "If we create more hate, there will be more hate." Which very much sounds like you were saying "by putting the war and conflict in this game, we encourage war and conflict in real life."

If anything it's the other way around.

If that's not what you were saying, perhaps you could reword that?

 

On Florans and Hospitality: (apologies in advance about the video, audio is noticably out of sync)



Looking back over the last few pages: Some people here need to take a step back and stop taking this argument so seriously. It's fun to speculate on why the Hylotl and The Floran don't get along, and other conflicts between the races.

It's not fun to argue about the morality of it. Floran and Hylotl are Alien species. there is no reason whatsoever to apply our sense of morality on a totally alien culture

 

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Please, no more words in my mouth...

 

I'm not puting blood words in your mouth, I'm interpereting the ones you say, which honestly make very little sense to me.

If you want me to not 'put words in your mouth' be more clear and make a point that doesn't have connotations past the exact words you are saying.

You said "I am trying to say the races shouldn't be pinned at each other this harshly."

I responded to the various meanings you could have been suggesting through that statement, and explaining why they made no sense.

You said. "I am trying to say the races shouldn't be pinned at each other this harshly." I said, effectively:

They have to be, and here's why.

That's not putting words in your mouth, I was showing you the conditions under which your argument could be put into efect, the ways that would remove the idea of species being pit against one another, and then saying those would be poor ideas.

 

By replying and putting something in quotation marks that I didn't say, you put them in my mouth

"Which very much sounds like you were saying 'by putting the war and conflict in this game, we encourage war and conflict in real life.'"

Ultimately you are just picking at the very little I put up to the table and asking for more, turning it into something greater. I don't really care what they do with the game, I will still play it and have fun, I was just trying to say there is so much hate formed from two video game species hating each other to extremes. And now you only proved my point, for this hate in the game has brought me to hate you. Please, no more replies, no quotations, none of that. I will consider any doing so a hostile response of the harassing kind.

 

...So effectively "lalalalala, I cant hear you, I win the argument, dont talk to me"

Very mature, obviously.

Also " is a quotation mark.

' is not.

Just for future reference there.

I'm afraid you cant just start an argument, and then say "No you proved me right, I hate you, and you cant talk to me anymore."

It's immature, childish and kind of really rude.

If you wanna consider this a hostile response, go ahead, but you literally just publicly said you hated me for nothing but disagreeing with you.

That's hostile, and you need to grow up.

 

To be honest though, do us humans ever need any reason to apply our sense of morality to any other culture, even if it is some totally alien one?

 

Honestly, it doesn't even go as far as that.

Humanity itself has a wide variety of moral standards, and it's difficult not to judge others by our own standards.

For example, some cultures such as the Etoro People would seem disgusting and alien to a westerner, and the Na people's complete lack of a concept of marriage or fatherhood dwarfs the difference between many fantasy species.

 

Those are good examples. Some cultures on our own planet are stranger than some aliens in sci-fi. Imagine how real aliens would be.

 

Yup. My degree finally did some useful work.

 

It almost makes you sort of pity humans to an extent, we as a species can't seem to live with peace, and need some constant form of conflict. Be it through the form of greed, disagreements on ideologies, etc.