So, is this game even actually progressing? (Long)

Discussion in 'Starbound FAQs, Q&A, and General Help' started by TheTimeLord, Sep 23, 2014.

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  1. Will Liferider

    Will Liferider Ketchup Robot

    Sorry I must have missed the part where pre-ordering the game made you CEO of Chuckelfish and arbiter of its operation
     
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  2. The | Suit

    The | Suit Agent S. Forum Moderator

    It really doesn't matter. People will complain till no end. Which is one reason it was smart to hit that 1.0 tag onto starbound. One of the biggest complaints about starbound is "it hasn't been released yet after so long". So the best way to do a double play is
    1. Release the game
    2. Start working on post release content.

    It is basically a win \ win - since it silences the people who complain the game has not been released and it makes people happy that post release content is starting to flood out. It is actually a very smart play in the end of the day. Because it is a bit more awkward to complain - "Hey why no post release content" etc etc. Because you haven't paid for post release content, you just paid for 1.0. Post release content is just a bonus in the end of the day.

    Though this powerplay is going to depend heavily on how solid 1.0 when it hits the gate.
    Unfortunately this powerplay would never have been necessary if the community wasn't so hostile in the first place to getting the game out. This undue pressure may end up cooking the game a bit too quickly resulting in a raw finish.

    So if you complain less about time, you may get a much better product when its done.
     
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  3. Lora Grim

    Lora Grim Guest

    Meh. At this point i am just hoping that Starbound will be finished and it will be half as decent as i imagine it, but i no longer expect anything from it. I am prepared for the worst. Early access titles have began to flop one after the other now. All you can do is pray that the next one has more competent people working on it.

    EDIT: And just throwing this out there, i think the main problem of these EA titles is that the devs aim way too high. With all these promised features and what not, it seems as if indie devs are aiming for a triple a release fantasy. That's never going to happen. Sure, we had huge indie successes like Minecraft and gmod and the such, but they are still pretty humble in nature. Minecraft is nowhere near triple a quality... nor is gmod.
     
  4. Beatrice

    Beatrice Spaceman Spiff

    Sorry, I have to disagree. I understand that you consider yourself an artist, but the life of an artist is much more less romantic than some programmers think. If you write a novel, you have to publish it, you have to find a good editor, which will take months, maybe years, until you get only the chance to publish your work. After that, you will have to deal with different people who are not d'accord with your work, and it gets re-edited once again. Than, after it's published, it has also to meet several criterias, or it wouldn't even get some critiques/reviews.

    And after that, you'll have always the editor or agent in the neck, asking "when is your next book ready"? Saying "Well, I'm a genius, I'm an artist, I need more time to make it perfect", you'll get the answer "Fine. Well, there are others authors out there".

    If CF was a writer, he would have died without any bread left. Tiy is not Leonardo da Vinci, and you are not Beethoven. Beeing a programmer, being a writer or being a musician is not art, but at first craftmanship. You are an artisan. Making a pair of shoes is also a creative and honorable work, but you are not searching for "the truth" or "the good", but you are looking to sell your product - as all "artists" did. You have to offer a product to your client, which is 90% respiration and 10% inspiration. Look at the life of Vermeer, who produced paintings, because he had to earn his bread. And when Leonardo worked on the Last supper, he HAD stress with Lodovico Sforza. This is a fact. And because CF doesn't finish it's product - which is, sorry, less valuable than the Last supper, and will never reach its importance - it is clear that the client also gets impatient.

    And I have to add - once again - that Tiy still is NOT - and nobody is - Leonardo da Vinci, who had much more accomplished before the Last supper than CF has at the moment (and had also the support of other people). I - in contrast - don't understand the people who think that this kind of art doesn't have to be criticised if it takes longer. All artists had stress with that problem. And CF - and others - have to deal with it, too. The rest are only romantic, idealistic thoughts, but have nothing to do with facts or history.
     
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  5. Full Metal Kirby

    Full Metal Kirby Phantasmal Quasar

    I was originally going to go into some intricate argument on why you're wrong, but I'm just going to Van Gogh and leave it at that.
     
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  6. Beatrice

    Beatrice Spaceman Spiff

    Yeah. Van Gogh. Like Beethoven. Like Leonardo. Yes, clear, let's compare CF with those great people! Only 10% of the so-called artists can live from the things they sell. Did you really understand, what I wrote? These are exceptions! Because these people were outstanding. And EVEN LEONARDO had to fight, even Vermeer did. Do you really think that Van Gogh has anything to do with this situation?
     
  7. Full Metal Kirby

    Full Metal Kirby Phantasmal Quasar

    An artist who never saw a penny in his entire life for his work who was believed to be a joke at the time, and who is now one of the most famous artists ever? Yes, I believe there was a point in there. Maybe you'll see it this time.

    But I'll spell it out for you, just to be sure. Money does not control art, and is hardly ever the real reason people make it. Regardless of the so-called "protocols", "time frames", and "rules" that people like pulling out of their asses on "how art has to be done."
     
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  8. Lintton

    Lintton Guest

    The Last Supper didn't involve creating your own plant disciple and attempting to fulfill a fetch quest laden prophecy of being the one to free procedurally generated Judea from the birds.
     
  9. Jbeetle

    Jbeetle Oxygen Tank

    it didn't?
     
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  10. Lintton

    Lintton Guest

    Nah, it was a static image of a dinner party. The guy in the center's all "eh." And everyone is "why the 'eh'? Was it the bread?" "He thinks its 'eh'. We should have ordered the garlic knots!"

    We think there was an attempt at day and night cycle, but Leo put the sun behind the guy in the center, and the lighting isn't adjusted. Such an amateurish mishap. I hope people don't pay to play The Last Supper.


    :p
     
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  11. TheNarrator

    TheNarrator Subatomic Cosmonaut

    So much text just to say that the game didn't meet your high expectations until today.
    I get it how you can get so disappointed, after you invested so much hopes and dreamful thoughts into a game. The game is still in development so your impatient character must be a real bother in situations like this. Maybe calm down, take a time off from video games and early access titles until you get your cool back. It's great to have passionate people like you around the board but you're just hurting yourself and others if your passion turns into those raging feelings of anger. You know, you don't feel good being angry and full of resentment and it actually won't make anything better. I miss a lot of features at the moment, too. The people are working on it and it seems they have no intention to end development anytime soon. That's good, wouldn't you agree? You could actually help with the development by liftung up the spirit of the community and supporting the devs by calm and well-mannered feedback and by behaving well on the forums. I know that you can do that :hylotl:

    Best wishes and keep your head up guy :hylotl:
     
  12. Beatrice

    Beatrice Spaceman Spiff

    This Sir, is really... well, not right. I hope you'll never have to work in this business, because you have to eat something each single day. You seem to know nothing about the history of art. Painters even added more persons on a painting, because they were payed by number of persons who were shown. That's why Paolo Veroenese added a bunch of people to his Wedding of Cana. Still, it's one of my favorite pieces of art. And Beethoven was not buried like Mozart,* because he was very intelligent when it came to the point how he worked. Surely, it has nothing to do with the content of the piece of art he produced, but he had still to deliver when he was asked to do something, and finishing it in time. When his work was copied by an editor who he didn't gave the right to do so, his words "my music should be free to all" ended at that point.

    Do you rellay think that, when the Congress of Vienna ordered music for the victory over Napoleon, Beethoven said "well, Wellington's victory isn't ready yet, you have to be more patient with your congress!"?

    And do you know why Leonardo didn't paint as much as Michelangelo? Because he wasn't hired that much. Many clients feared that he would never finish his works. He was considered a genius, but he had a bad reputation when he had to do something. If CF is Leonardo, the company shouldn't wonder why people speak so bad about discipline.

    You can't excuse your work, only because you claim to be yourself an "artist". Caravaggio had to paint St. Matthew twice, because the priest wasn't amused by the first one he did. It's not that Caravaggio shouted "You don't understand me! It's art!". He did a new one. No problem. That is his job. Why is the job of a painter more particular than that of a shoemaker? The shoemaker, too, doesn't only think in the categories of efficiency. He also loves to do his work. He also may see a masterpiece in his work. That's why I see programming - and other "arts" - as craftmanship, not as art.

    However, I'm sure that people will still do pilgrimages to Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan and see it, professors will hold lectures about it, and it will give joy to humanity for saeculi. I'm not sure if anyone will talk about Starbound in 25 years. That's the difference between "art" and "craftmanship". The first one is not part of the Zeitgeist. Starbound is still a game.

    Amusingly, those who always attack those "impatient" people, because they "don't understand" seem to think that Starbound is something completly different. I don't understand all this stuff. But what I understand is, that declaring programming "art" and as such as an "excuse" for not delivering, because it has to be "perfect" has no ground. When it gets cold, I want my shoes. And when the shoemaker isn't ready, I have still the right to ask "hey, where are my shoes"?. It's not that I want Caravaggio's St. Matthew. I want my shoes.

    And to say it in clear words: the majority of artists - now and back then - have always been part of the "working-poor"-class. That is really not the status which the dev team has. So please don't use the name of those who can't defend themselves.


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    *I'm not saying that Mozart was poor. However, he spent more than he had cash. He earned a good amount of money, but he wasn't able to keep his bilance.
     
  13. Guys. Don't be condescending. If you have a point to make -- make your point. Don't insinuate that others lack intelligence because you choose to withhold information.

    And try to keep the thread on the right track -- it's starting to shift into derail territory.

    I know you guys can be better.
     
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  14. Yeah... plus I ran out of popcorn days ago :)
     
  15. vimio

    vimio Big Damn Hero

    Could not agree with you more. This game is complete trash and it always will be. Thank god I didnt spend more than 15 dollars on this worthless pile of code. Feel sorry for people who spent more.
     
  16. Full Metal Kirby

    Full Metal Kirby Phantasmal Quasar

    Herein lies the difference. Those who do art because others pay them to is, yes, craftsmanship. They're being paid to do something, after all.

    Those who start work on art without any hope to be paid for it, and instead have to do a second job to maintain their living affairs, and then their piece is eventually noticed as being awesome -- that, is art. Which is, again, why I mentioned Van Gogh.
     
  17. gejiryu

    gejiryu Big Damn Hero

    i'm so done with this game, terraria will probably have space travelling before this game is launched anyway.

    Good job taking the money and running, chucklefish.
     
  18. Pentarctagon

    Pentarctagon Over 9000!!!

    The question "is the game development progressing?" is pretty simple, since it can be measured by how much content has been added. If no/little content has been added, then progress is not really being made. If a lot of content is being added, then there is a lot of progress being made. Whether you classify something as "art" or "crafts" or "an industrial vacuum cleaner simulator" is not relevant is the slightest.
     
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  19. Dust

    Dust Giant Laser Beams

    Except. They haven't done this. I'm not against just criticsm of Chucklefish and Starbound, but there is no cause for this kind of remark.
     
  20. Nizzim

    Nizzim Subatomic Cosmonaut

    This thread went up its own ass with that art analogy.

    Yall really gotta chill.

    The people who think its taking too long think everyone else is just CF fanboys
    and the people who are cool about it think the impatient people are whiny and unjustified.

    Truth is, if you disagree, dont just say "youre being a complainer, they havent done anything wrong, everything is on track just chill." To be honest, If I was told I was buying a banana tree, I wouldnt expect to be given banana tree seeds. and if it took me 2 years to get that banana (cuz you know, it had to be perfectly ripe), and I didnt like bananas anymore by the time it was ready, I'd be kinda pissed I didnt get a banana a year ago when I expected one.

    Another weird analogy but the point is, people are totally justified, yes we all bought into an early access game. But a release date WAS pretty much stated. Now CF has basically said version 1.0 doesnt really exist in their minds and we all kind of have this skewed view of what a "finished game" is. So it looks pretty convoluted, especially to a casually intrigued gamer who doesnt understand why the game he paid to support the development of is stuck on designing sprites of chairs and hats instead of giving me a packaged title.


    Ya feel me?
     
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