Did I? Take a look at the bottom of his last post. That again seems to be intolerance for any person's choice not to use steam, regardless of reason. Care to point out where I have ever advocated that there not be a steam beta? In fact, care to point out where anyone has ever said that the beta shouldn't be on steam? I've seen plenty the other way around, advocating that there shouldn't be any DRM-free release whatsoever until after beta, but the DRM-free people seem a lot more tolerant in this regard.
guys, this is turning into and argument again. lets all restrain ourselves (including me) and get back on topic k?
I'm being perfectly calm and reasonable in my posts, even when people are saying something inflammatory like "Don't mind him. He has a way of hearing something different than what he reads." If there's any argument it's not of my doing. But I won't simply lie down and let people like that use me as a doormat. I will respond if someone posts something unreasonable.
when more then one person wants something it will be shared if it can not be shared it will be fought over and when it is fought over, someone will have to live without it
Well, I like Steam, so any option suits me. So, if it's less trouble for you to do option #3, then that gets my vote!
Well, I do care whichever way it's done. Asking for inclusion of folks who don't want to/can't use steam in a minimal way such as options 2 or 3 is not hampering you in any way shape or form.
Am I the only one still waiting to hear something about why people are unable to use steam? that can't also be used in the exact same wording to prove they wouldn't be able to run starbound anyway? And I'm ignoring personal opinions about it since no matter what anyone says, you can't drag a horse to water no matter how clean that water might be or how much you know the horse might want aforementioned water. But besides personal opinions, Seriously. Why can't you run steam? It's a 1.5mb download, If you have the internet to print out your opinion of steam like anyone else has the right to, why is downloading it a hard thought? Click and depending on your Us/Ds, Done in less than 3 seconds. Compatibility? It's compatible with Windows, Linux, and Mac OSes. Ram usage? Looking at vista right now with 2 gigs of ram. It doesn't come close to 50mb ram usage at any point in time. And If you seriously are unable to run steam with whatever weird programs you already have, 99% likely hood you are incapable of running any game anyway. Can't maintain stable internet? Mine flickers constantly. Still can play games just fine. Steam isn't like 'uh oh, your connection to us is lost. get off the game. *boot*' Uses too much CPU and makes your PC lag? Then it'd poop on you from CPU usage during gaming anyway. Running it bluescreens? That's not a steam problem. That's a sign of a far more significant problem with your PC. You did make sure to check your memory reference. Right? RIGHT? Nope can't avoid a question about personal opinions. Terms of Service? Against DRM/ToS that steam has? You seriously better stop using your PC then, Or your internet provider. Those are far stricter ToSes than steam. Heck, You better stop using your internet browser too, Or any program. You seriously didn't think the almost same ToSes were only found on steam did you? Every program you download has a ToS. Some are more lenient than steam, Others infinitely stricter. Even these very forums have their own ToS. Are you a worse person for thinking steam is bad? No. But I still think you're silly for ignoring how almost every program you download/have already on your pc has a ToS or DRM. TL;DR. If you can't run steam due to technical issues, You wouldn't be able to game anyway. If you can't run steam due to personal reasons, You're not a bad person for that; Just make sure you realize everything you use has a ToS or DRM, Or both.
Completely agree, if you can't run steam then why game on a pc? Im trying to bash anyone but if you want to play starbound so badly why is running steam a problem?
Steam please, that only makes sense, easy access, everyone should use steam, get a free drm vers once the game is out. Too bored of people who go so much about how they hate DRM just to feel special, steam's the best DRM out there and getting it on steam not only will gain even more people & more sales but it'll also be neater and easier to work around like you've said.
There's can't and then there's won't. Most people will jump through un imaginable hoops to play their favorite game, so 'can't' doesn't really factor into it. Myself, I like my games portable, so if I can get a non-steam version I will. If Steam is the only option.. well, there's more important things in this big 'ol world.
btw its not about piracy, From what I read in the OP its about how easy it is to update it. Also, Whats so bad about DRM? I have a stable internet connection, EVERYONE on this forum most likely has a stable internet connection, everyone who had to preorder the game has a stable internet connection, If they didn't how did they pre-order the game? Steam is a great platform for gaming and makes it easier for the devs to find responses and ideas to there games. Only issue I can find with steam is there slow as shit layout and the servers on a busy day. @mollygos please lock this thread, right now imo its people argument hunting.
I find it unfortunate that the devs ever considered to only serving steam users and not the rest of us in the beta, who after all backed their project. now human idiocy is loose on this thread with either side defending steam or un-steam with no or poor logic involved. i'm rightfully suspicious that is the case too, as it is clear that, by the way the choices were edited on the front page, the devs already decided how the beta will be handled and are giving themselves an excuse in advance. i really wanted to try the game in its paid beta stage and now i will have to use shady means to do so. that is very unfortunate and i'm a little dissapointed.
@MegaLoser You are aware that, if they go with Option 3 (which, it does seem like that is where they are going to go with it) it is NOT going to strictly Steam, just they would start Phase 1 with Steam only, not the entirety of Beta with JUST Steam. It would make this hectic, severely buggy, character-eating, save-corrupting stage go much more quickly only having to focus on this and is what is implied by that option. Then when things have settled down some, they'd have more ability to divert some attention to make a non-steam version of the beta and effectively keep it up to date. No where does it state in the OP that they'd only make one or the other, simply when they release and update the non-steam version. Dr. Bees!
DRM != DRM There are many forms of DRM, and not all are bad. In case of Steam, there is no "punishing" of customers. It's rather the exact opposite. It gets a lot more comfortable, easier and safer. Installation/reinstallation of games was never easier. Also it's great, that you don't have to reinstall after getting a new OS or copying your Steam-folder to another PC. You just have to start it, it will update itself, and games with copy protection might have to be reactivated (which happens automatically in the background, if you start them the first time). You still have full freedome to play whenever you want. You don't need internet, you can play offline (if games were activated once on the machine). Also Steam is indeed a way to get more legit customers instead of pirates. Not because you couldn't get a pirated version ... but because it's so much easier to just get the Steam-version. Today I actually hate getting games, which are not on Steam. I want to have them all in my list, knowing, that I don't have to keep discs or backup installation-files. I can just install and delete them with a simple click whenever and how often I want. Another thing: Good Old Games (gog.com) is some kind of DRM as well (even if it says big "DRM FREE"). It's Digital Rights Management. You make a digital purchase, and your products and the rights to download them are managed through their software. I love Steam especially for its portability. Like I said, you have no hassle with reinstallation processes or stuff like that. You just start the game, and if something like .NET, DirectX or whatever is missing, it will be automatically installed. Yes, you usually need internet for the first start of a game on a new machine (although there are also games, which DON'T even need that and come without any copy protection via Steam). But that's it. After that one activation, you don't need internet anymore.
This is not a steam good vs. bad argument. The platform has its pros and cons, however... What the hell is the problem with installing steam just for the beta and then removing it after release/ once a Non-DRM beta is out? You never have to give a single penny to steam, so you are not in any way supporting them by getting your beta updates from their servers - if fact if you never buy anything from steam, you are effectively just leeching bandwidth off their servers for free so from their perspective you're doing them more harm than good if you resolve to not buy their games. So in comparison, what's the harm to you? Sure if you never plan on buying a game on steam it's just another program on your PC you'd rather not have there, I get that. However, the dev's argument about faster development by using the preexisting infrastructure of steam vs. wasting time on setting up their own and making sure it runs smoothly is sound. Just wait for the Non-DRM beta or release version while playing the beta on steam and afterwards just uninstall steam - problem solved. I can totally see how someone feels about steam the same way I feel about registering on uplay or that "games for windows live" bull that thankfully died, but if it cuts development time by two weeks it was totally worth it. And since for steam you don't have to enter any credit card details or other sensitive info but just need one lousy email address there is no real risk here and you can get rid of the program afterwards.
I love steam but when going through humble bundle the steam key is annoying for me because steam on the internet wont log in.
