Pierre...is he misunderstood or a slimeball? (or both!)

Pretty much with Nightmare on this one. I mean, it's not like Pierre can't rectify the situation. As Clueless also said, his current problems do not excuse the flaws in his personality. Doesn't make him a bad guy or a bad person, but I'm still going to maul him with my raptor.

 

AT LEAST HE DIDN'T GIFT ME A GEODE!

 

Truth be, when it comes to villager who kind of rustles my jimmies, its actually Lewis in regards to his treatment of Marnie. It's like seriously dude, you've been mayor for like 20 years without anyone running against you in a town of like 30 something folks. Why you seem to think your job is going to get compromised for being open about your relationship with a lady you spend evenings drinking next to in the saloon is beyond me. And there's nothing more meeeh to me than leading someone along who obviously isn't really all that happy being treated like a dirty secret yet endures it cause they like you that much. It's like man up dude. I'll gladly take Pierre's money money money song and dance over that anyday cause at least Pierre's honest about his ambitions.

 

My opinion on Pierre is that he's both. One of my favorite things about this game is that even though the characters are somewhat left to interpretation intentionally, none of them are black and white. Pierre IS a man who is far to focused on making money to the point where he is ignoring his family and can come off as pushy and greedy... He also has a scene where you find a "stash" of his that I feel could be porn which doesn't help either. But on the other hand it seems to be implied that Caroline has cheated in the past with the Wizard and he suspects it as well so I think he may have started his shop with the best intentions and some big dreams, but the difficulty of keeping a small shop running so close to Joja Mart attempting to steal business, as well as avoiding his issues with his family could be what caused his obsessions... Not a bad person or "slimeball" but not really a good one either.
Either way just my opinion ahaha.

 

I never really think much about it, I just simply don't want to interfere in other peoples lives. I mean, who am I to judge? Yet again my character always gets himself in these crazy little situations where the NPCs always expect an answer from me.

 

I think Pierre is a bad person. Maybe not a 'slimeball' but I feel like he focuses far too much on his business, and spends little time with his Wife and his Daughter. I have another Thread where I ask if people would get behind having the Married couples divorce and fall for your Farmer, mostly because I don't really like Pierre (And I like Caroline quite a bit). Pierre has trouble understanding his daughter (who is biologically the Wizards daughter) and I think between his Secret Stash and the strain on his relationship, he has a lot of work to do with his personal life (especially if I steal Caroline from him)

 

Oi, the hypocrisy in this post....

You're gonna call Pierre a bad person while forming headcanon or fantasies of stealing his wife?

Stealing a spouse from someone is one of the most horrible things you can do to a person. It goes to new, so very deep lows to do that to somebody. It entirely wrecks their life, a lot of times for the rest of their life, and the people who do it try to justify themselves by pointing out the "bad" in that person's relationship when in the end run, if it was really THAT bad, she would have left him naturally without you trying to push her to leave him. And in a lot of cases, I wouldn't be surprised if the one who was stolen doesn't end up with guilt trips in the end, secretly wishing that they hadn't left their first spouse, especially if they happen to catch wind or notice the damage that their divorce did to their former spouse. And then there's the children.. what do you think Abigail would think of you after you break up their marriage? Many kids hate their new parents, especially if they are old enough to understand what happened if it happens to be a spouse steal situation.

I'm a firm believer that most relationships (except for the physically abusive) can be repaired if the two are willing to work it out. Nothing about Pierre tells me that he's unloving towards his wife. He might not spend quite enough time with her and his daughter, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love them.

To be a homewrecker is one of the worst things a person can do, I count it as almost being right up there with rape and murder.

 

I don't see this as being a homewrecker or this being right up there with rape and murder.

I feel Pierre is mistreating his wife. Not physically, but emotionally. He neglects his wife in favor of his business, seems somewhat cold and distant to her and to his daughter, has issues with commitment and lacks emotional maturity. Pierre has his good points, but I still think she should leave him.

'If it was so bad she would have left him' is a terrible justification. There are multiple reasons an abused spouse is unable or unwilling to leave her (or his) abuser. She may be staying in the marriage because of her child. She may lack the financial backing to break from her spouse. She may be emotionally drained or damaged, where she may feel she is not good enough to leave, or that if she tries harder her husband will change, or that it is 'not that bad, not bad enough to leave him!' which only repeats the cycle of abuse. Or she may think 'It will get better. It HAS to get better!' Spousal abuse is a very common occurrence and not all of it is physical, and not all of it is seen as abuse ('We fight all the time' or 'When we fight, it's not that bad' or 'He never puts a hand on me') or even that it is her fault (Which is why she goes to aerobics class, because she feels she is not pretty enough, not good enough... so he focuses on his business instead of on her)

Caroline is her own woman, and despite my trying to convince her to leave her husband, she can make up her own mind, weigh the pros and cons and make a decision on her own. I am sure she would consider how she feels about Pierre, how she will be affected, how he will be affected and how her daughter will be affected. And this is assuming she is even willing. She may want to indeed work out her marriage, or she may decide she does want to leave him, or can't because of her daughter, or because it may hurt him, or for other reasons

Abigail is a different matter, and I would worry about her. I would have a feeling she would hate me, but maybe she might not. If I make her mother happy, if I offer her mother a stable relationship where I focus on Caroline and not my business (or my Farm), if I truly care about Caroline, about Abigail and about the 3 of us as a family, she may be willing to accept me. And I would still be kind to Pierre (assuming he doesn't resent or outright hate me) Plus Abigail seems at that age where she wants to go out on her own. There are a few events where she outright hides from Pierre and resents herm others intervention in her life, so regardless of what I might do or not do, she may in fact move on, find someone, or leave to find herself

I agree that most relationships can be worked out and fixed, but both parties have to be aware that there are issues in the first place. Pierre is unaware he is neglecting his family, and Caroline seems unwilling or unable to see that there are issues in her marriage)

And this is all just a headcanon. I have no idea what is really going on between everyone

 

Forcing yourself into someone else's relationship is the very definition of a homewrecker.

Homewrecking is when you destroy someone's marriage by wooing someone's wife/husband with the intent of stealing her off of him, regardless of why you think it is justified.

You don't really have any place to judge her relationship, though. You see a man who is deeply involved in his business, it takes a lot of time off of his hands, but then that's how running a business can be. So, what, no businessman or business owner should ever have a wife/husband? Is that what you're saying?

I don't think Pierre is abusing Caroline, I do think that perhaps he doesn't give her enough attention that she needs, but I don't really get the "abuse" aspect of it here. He might, at times, talk about her coldly and he might be a bit over-protective of his daughter, perhaps almost into creeper territory, but that doesn't mean he's abusive. He doesn't want his daughter ending up pregnant out of wedlock and I certainly can't blame him for that. Teen and single mom pregnancies are a problem.

Okay, so you say "Caroline is her own woman" when it comes to whether or not to dump him and go to you, but yet you just got done saying that "She is her own woman" doesn't justify allowing her to make her own decision, because "Maybe she can't leave him"? So which is it? She is either her own woman and able to make her own decisions, or she's not?

The problem with the latter, is that you're driving a wedge between them in their marriage when you court her with the intention of stealing her. You try to convince her that Pierre's bad for her, you cause Pierre to get more jealous and insecure, and you effectively destroy what remained of their marriage. You simply cannot stand there and say "Well, it was her choice to leave him..." because it would be your fault that you made their marriage even worse than it already was. You can't just start courting a married woman and not expect to have fault placed on you. You knew she was married and you had no excuse.

I dunno about CA's vision of Pierre, but I would think that any normal man would be downright furious with you, and absolutely resentful. Think about it yourself -- you thought everything was OK with your marriage, yeah maybe you had some what you thought were "minor" faults and here comes this younger guy, he jumps in, starts courting your wife behind your back and next thing you know, you got divorce papers shoved in your face out of nowhere. Do you think you're going to care that the homewrecker is trying to be nice to you, or would you rather deck him in the face for ruining your life?

This is why communication is so important. What so many people don't understand, is that marriage is a two-way street. Both parties have to contribute, both parties have to work to make it successful. Caroline is just as much at fault as Pierre is. Yes, Pierre dives into his business head-first and doesn't pay enough attention to their family, but yet Caroline appears to be hiding dark secrets and she appears to be unwilling to communicate her concerns about Pierre's work habits and his lack of attention to her and Abigail. I can't fault Pierre any more than I can fault Caroline for the problems in their marriage.

Caroline needs to come out with the truth behind Abigail, and she needs to apologize and ask for his forgiveness, and she also needs to express her concerns about Pierre's work habits.

Pierre needs to apologize for not giving Abigail and Caroline the attention they deserve and take steps to rectify the situation, such as perhaps hiring Abigail to work more at the store so that he has more time to spend with the family.

While I understand that this is all fiction, and fiction within fiction, and headcanon, this touches on real-life issues, and I see too many people trying to justify homewrecking. If you think it is justified in this situation... what stops you (or anyone else who has similar views) from doing it in real life? This stuff destroys peoples' lives. Instead of wrecking someone's home, why not encourage the two spouses to talk to each other and work out their problems? Instead of destroying their marriage because of something you perceive is "wrong", you ought to be trying to help them make peace with one another in subtle ways if one of them asks for your advice. Or perhaps poke them with the subject now and then. But don't go wrecking their home just so you can steal the wife for your own. That's just horrible.

 

Lies! All Lies! Caroline will be mine!

(The sub-text here being this is just a game, and just headcanon. I don't condone doing this in real life. It happens, often, and I condemn the people who strive to wreck homes and lives. But this is just a game in a fantasy world and in no way corresponding to the real world. I don't condone trying to steal someones spouse, trying to seduce or deceive or break apart any marriage, or to give up on trying to work out, talk out and fix any relationship. I just put forth the idea, in this fantasy world. I would never try to steal or come between anyone that has a significant other, it was just a headcannon.)

 

*narrows eyes menacingly* It appears that I have a challenger for the hand of my soon-to-be emerald haired queen.

Real or not, she will be mine! But, honestly, I'd wreck the shit outta Pierre's home. And laugh evilly as I did so.

So...want to put our duel on hold until after we wreck that bastard's home and send him swimming with the Mer-people in cement shoes?

 

Yes, our hatred will simmer just below the surface as we work towards our common goal... MY soon-to-be Emerald Haired Queen!

 

My general stance is that the advantage of a game is that it allows a person to harmlessly play out various dispositions and playstyles and personalities that they would never do in real life...and since it is all in a pre-scripted fictional world no one really ever gets hurt. Much like folks who play games and take the 'murder everything savagely' route, I expect most wouldn't want to necessarily be as cruel as their game counterpart in the real world. I somewhat doubt CA will ever go the route of busting up pre-built marriages just because I imagine it would A: kind of change a particular atmosphere of the game I get the feeling he's trying to aim for and B: it would be coding hell to impliment.

 

I've just started a new character and it's made me dislike Pierre even more. All the spam mail about buying seeds and then when you go visit him, all he goes on about is buy this and buy that. I swear all he talks about is his shop and what's available to buy. I think he may be a robot.

 

Guys, don't talk *homewrecker* here. It's about whether or not Pierre is good, bad, evil, misunderstood, or just *meh*. I don't care for the homewrecker stuff (it makes me REALLY uncomfortable)

*Gives everyone a pizza with extra (hot) cheese, sausage, and pepperoni*

 

He's always confused me thus far. Sometimes, he seems like a guy just trying to earn money and someone whom feels threatened by the big dog Joja. Then in other dialogues he seems just greedy. I've never quite known where to shop as both Pierre and Joja seem iffy in different ways.

Does working for Joja have any negative effects? Thus far I haven't taken up the offer of working for them due to the confusion stated above.

 

-shrug- It's implied that your cementing of their presence in the valley will be very bad for it in the long term. But as for concrete mechanical penalties, I don't think so?

 

Honestly, I'm starting to think Pierre has been obsessing about the well-being of his shop and the threat of JOJA for so long that making money has become sort of a psychological compulsion. It's not even that uncommon. There's a lot of recorded cases were people who have been on the verge of economical disaster for too long have become miserly and money-fixated to a downright unhealthy degree, and remained so even after their situation returned to being stable. My current theory is that Pierre has simply been worrying about money for so long he's forgotten how to do anything else. And while it makes him a bit unpleasant to talk to sometimes, I think his obsession at least started out from a good place, with him worrying about supporting his family.

 

He's one of the few villagers I don't particularly care for. What made me lose it with him is how he pouts and complains if you win the fair display, it's like dude, get a grip and it's not the end of the world if your display doesn't win. His hearts in the right place for his family and shop but he has a poor way of showing it.

 

Something related to Pierre I was thinking about: Pierre complains pretty bitterly about Joja, but he doesn't say anything at all about the lady that sets up shop Friday/Monday by Marnie's place. Is he not worried about her, is he even aware of her, or what?