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Pandering to newbies

Discussion in 'Starbound Discussion' started by Akiflyer, Dec 23, 2013.

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  1. Amused2Death

    Amused2Death Aquatic Astronaut

    Since you are playing a completed game you will not get what you want. Word on the street is there are no plans to adjust difficulty and more nerfs to come.

    Who knew that you would want to make a BETA (how many times does the concept have to be pounded in to some peoples thick, thick, thick skulls) as accessible to as many BETA players as possible?

    And no, that category called "mode" in the character selection screen with the "???" next to your character does not imply that there will be multiple modes in the future. It is a ruse designed to upset people.
     
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  2. The | Suit

    The | Suit Agent S. Forum Moderator

    Aiming for casual demographic doesn't make money.
    Making hats and selling them makes money - just ask valve.

    Keep game hard
    Sell Hats to casuals.

    Win \ Win
     
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  3. Kherazov

    Kherazov Poptop Tamer

    Because the post implies
    Yes and no. The post implies that because he thinks the game is too easy, everyone else who doesn't is just bad. Sounds more like elitism than criticism.
     
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  4. Doc Honcho

    Doc Honcho Big Damn Hero

    Ooh, cowering in a hole all night... That sounds... Fun? All the things you mentioned ended up adding more tedium to the game rather than difficulty.

    Don't worry, I'm sure someone will make a mod for all you hardcore simulation weenies, so let the rest of us have some fun.

    They should take out band aids too, because it's unrealistic that you heal by eating them. You should have limb damage and have to set broken bones and be stuck in your camp for three months trying to catch fish with your teeth while your leg mends. Then sometimes you get gangrene and have to cut off your leg with whatever is around but unless you tie it off correctly you'll bleed out and die. Furthermore, everything is too fast, mining should take a lot longer because rocks are hard, not to mention that there should be way more tool types to account for mineral composition. A stone pick mining diamond? LOL! You should have to find loose iron nuggets to make a iron pick before even attempting to break anything but rock with the pickaxe.

    In aware there are those who would enjoy that kind of detail, most wouldn't. It's tedious, like real life can be.
     
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  5. Reetno

    Reetno Subatomic Cosmonaut

    I have to admit, I really don't like that teleport to home feature... I find it a lot more fun having to go in my ship, make sure I have enough storage for a looting/exploration trip and make sure to mine enough fuel to get home.

    It makes no sense being able to teleport from your ship, in orbit around another planet, back to your home planet. What if my ship is in a different sector? Does it stay there when I teleport home? It makes sense that it should be in orbit of the planet to be able to teleport down and up...

    And the gravity thing... It does make sense, but not having low gravity on a large planet and high gravity on a small planet :/ Plus the floatiness of the low gravity make yet another thing that will limit the amount of choice planets for my home...
     
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  6. The Marvelous Magoon

    The Marvelous Magoon Big Damn Hero

    See, I don't get this. If you think it infringes on your right to play the game with your genitals bound to a car battery then by all means do not use it.

    Then by all means do not use it.
     
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  7. The | Suit

    The | Suit Agent S. Forum Moderator

    kinky
     
  8. The Marvelous Magoon

    The Marvelous Magoon Big Damn Hero

    I don't understand why you're trying to stop others from having fun when nothing is stopping you from using those resources to get back to your home planet manually.

    That's all you elitists are doing, stopping others from having fun.

    My god, this is about as stupid as complaining about the Super Guide in Nintendo games.
     
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  9. AlMcFly

    AlMcFly Subatomic Cosmonaut

    I don't think you understand the concept of a valid argument then. Those statements don't "invalidate" anything in his argument. They are just unnecessarily negative and immature.

    Though OP, I'd rather you necro the 30+ other "pandering to casuals" threads that get created daily than make your own. Arguing in this way will not get your desires heard. Writing a viewpoint that isn't rude and trite will get you far more supporters in the end.
     
  10. Fiben Bolger

    Fiben Bolger Pangalactic Porcupine

    "The devs are pandering to newbie weaklings! This an outrage! They should be pandering specifically to ME!"

    I put that in quote to show how silly the OP reads but now that I see it, I'm not so sure I disagree.

    I would like more pandering to me, personally, please.
     
  11. huntgod

    huntgod Orbital Explorer

    I'm really not sure where to begin with that statement...there is nothing accurate in it, so I will just move along.

    The casual game market has exploded and though I do enjoy a challenge, what most hard core games think of as challenging or entertaining I find tedious and frustrating, and there is a much larger market for gamers like me than those that enjoy tedious, arduous repetitive play to prove you are hardcore.
     
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  12. Nyaria the Apex

    Nyaria the Apex Space Penguin Leader

    Sorry.. I don't exactly see how this is "Pandering" to people, when it really isn't. :\
     
  13. The Marvelous Magoon

    The Marvelous Magoon Big Damn Hero

    This!

    What they're asking for isn't even real difficulty, it's just inconveniences for the player.
     
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  14. Aethilion

    Aethilion Void-Bound Voyager

    I don´t understand that too. I mean, it is always possible to make yourself a challenge, like saying i play the whole game in copper armor with a tier 1 weapon and only use coal as fuel, but for all others, if the game is annoying hard, the have to mod the whole game just to get a funny game.

    I don´t know whats up with all those gasping for challenge. Life itself is hard and challenging enough, when im home from my hard work i want to relax and play a funny game which amazes me. (I don´t want to say i want no challenge at all and i don´t want to say it is perfect as it is now, but that i don´t think it has to be made as hard as hell).
     
  15. Kherazov

    Kherazov Poptop Tamer

    As I said above, the reason I said it invalidates it is because that's pretty much what I read: "The game is too easy according to ME. Majority of the players do not agree? Then they are just bad. The game is too easy because I think it is too easy."

    Is the point he is bringing up a valid one? Probably. I did see a few other posts about people thinking so. But the way he brought his point made it sound more like elitism than actual criticism. That is all.

    I suppose I should have chosen different words, but oh well.
     
  16. The | Suit

    The | Suit Agent S. Forum Moderator

    If your saying Hats don't make money - then your wrong.
    F2P games are casuals dream come true.
    F2P games survive on cosmetic items and P2Win items

    Nothing in my statement is inaccurate. You may wish, and pray I was wrong, but we all know the reality in the end.
     
  17. icerimp

    icerimp Big Damn Hero

    I'll have you know that as I'm playing the game and enjoying my free teleports I'm also blasting my quads and glutes so I'm not a weakling OP TYVM
     
  18. Kyrosiris

    Kyrosiris Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    That is the sort of nonsense that grognards spew, yes.
     
  19. Akiflyer

    Akiflyer Astral Cartographer

    Yeah, which is exactly my problem. Games used to be art first and business second, I thought that was still the case with Indie..? but no, you're probably right, all games should be like CoD, aimed at the casuals, less memorable than a door but... hey.. it sells~

    Which is why, I want to discuss it now before the game's difficulty is established...?
    and you could always return to the very same planet WITHOUT a free Teleport, the game was nice enough to even register it for you.

    That was retarded. I just said above that I'm not a good player... so if I, an average player, is acing the game with NO difficulty whatsoever (difficulty that was present before) then the devs are hearing to all the unfounded cries that the game was too difficult, AKA weaklings.

    Yes but I can also play counter strike only with the knife to increase the difficulty, still doesn't make any sense. Look, I'd agree with you if you had to pay a good sum of pixel to the teleporter or some sort of penalty from being able to hop to your planet, get the stuff you need and hop back. Lack of organisation and planning should be punished, like not getting good equips or leveling up is punished in an RPG. This is exploration, part of exploration is to plan, organise and proceed with caution.

    Yes let's all have fun!~ Why complain that the tanooki suit is essentially a free win offering, never mind playing the game, you can just win it!~ INSTA-GRATIFICATIOOOOON~~~ Or.... or.... devs shouldn't have included a free-win to begin with, it's like playing with cheats on, what is the point? If YOU want the game to be easy, YOU can get an easy mode.

    That's just like you casuals. pulling everyone to your level when you can't adapt. (See, I can use ad hominem fallacy too)
     
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  20. Meanbeans

    Meanbeans Star Wrangler

    Okay, the gravity thing just happened for me, and I have to say... does that mean we won't find double jump anymore? Also, I don't think I'm liking the lower gravity. Lol
     
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