Chat Official Chat Thread - The Third

Sorry to dredge up old topics, but I was gone all day so i couldn't say what I wanted to.

Oh, whoops, haha. I sometimes forget that my social media doesn't exist in a vacuum. Hopefully nobody who follows me was swamped.

And that's exactly the problem. People don't want to believe that the police are the ones at fault, because we have the privilege to be able to trust the police. But that's not a reality for many others.
Philando Castile was not some thug. He worked at a school. The same kind of school I went to when I was younger, actually.
And the fact that you said that he wasn't carrying a gun tells me you did no research into this before commenting- Castile actually did have a gun. He had a concealed carry license, a fact that he told the officer.
The officer then proceeded to pump 4 shots into him. Firing into a car that had a 4 year old child in the back, no less.
Then, after shooting to "incapacitate" (because Castile was not dead at this point), the officer kept the gun trained on him while he bled out. In front of a child.
So forgive me for being a bit upset about it. And also for being upset that people are so quick to ignore the facts and side with the officer, because it feels more right.

You are absolutely right. There are plenty of good cops. For example, the on-campus officer at my high school was a great guy. I, personally, have not ever felt uncomfortable around a police officer.
But that's not what it's time to talk about. When there aren't people being shot by police officers for no reason at a disturbing frequency, we can talk about the cop who escorted an old lady across the street, or rescued someone's dog from traffic, or who caught a mugger running on foot (Which are things that get reported on, especially if you watch local news, but I digress).
Talking about the cops who do their jobs right is not going to save anyone's life. But talking about the ones who engage in misconduct could save lives. Especially if the good cops were willing to speak out about the bad ones. But, for the most part, they aren't. And that's why there are people who don't trust any cops- because when they refuse to speak about it, they are complicit. Their silence is an endorsement of the behavior.
And to the other thing, about getting all the information- there wasn't a hell of a lot more information to get, in this case. The immediate aftermath of the shooting was filmed by Castile's girlfriend, and it was pretty straightforward.


In case anyone hasn't heard, there was a shooting at a BLM protest in Dallas. A sniper shot into the crowd, specifically targeting white police. 12 were shot, and 5 so far have died. The suspect was killed with a remote explosive when he couldn't be talked down peacefully. It's unclear if he was affiliated with BLM, or simple took advantage of the large number of gathered police.
Plain and simple, this is an unacceptable hate crime.
Yes there are corrupt police but do you really think sniping them will affect the change you want to see? That it will make them fear black people less?
This week is an awful string of tragedies.

 

I try not to comment on matters concerning Police of any other job involving risking your life for others. Because we can sit here and act all righteous, talking about misconduct until the sun goes out. But really, do any of us know how we'd REALLY behave if out lives were on the line? Would you still be kind and passive to everyone when that gamble could mean you never seeing your loved ones ever again? Likely people who relied on your hard earned money every month? I certainly can't predict myself in those situations. I'd like to think that I would, but until I am out in that position I would be talking chaff.

 

Negativity bias, for every cop that shoots thousands don't.
Same thing with airplanes.

Still, punish the bad.

 

I don't believe @Shooshy162 is disagreeing with that. His opinion is that, while the vast majority of cops are good, the bad ones are doing damage that must be stopped. I believe he's also saying that the good cops need to do more to weed the bad cops out.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I know my wording sounds a bit awkward, just wanted to make it clear that it's @Shooshy162's opinion, and not mine. Not that it's an unreasonable position to hold, but just so that no one gets confused as to what I think.

 

Cops are meant to be trained to handle such situations. If they can't stop themselves shooting innocents then they aren't fit to be a cop.

 

I go by that old saying "there is no atheist in a fox hole", If you forgive the joke. What I take it to mean is that training to risk your life is entirely different than actually risking your life. Unless the training itself is lethal, you still can't predict how you'd react when the goings get tough. Besides, we are living in a post 7/11 era. Paranoia is at higher levels than before.

And again, being a cop is a job. People want to make a living for themselves and their families. Whether or not that makes them unfit to be cops is a point of debate. But I can't say I don't understand not wanting to risk their lives any more than they have to.

 

While it is true risking your life is different to training to risk your life, if a cop can't keep their cool even when trained, they are not fit to be an armed cop. That does not change just because training a person to risk their life is hard. Being an armed cop is a very important job that can't make room for mistakes.
This is not to mention that most of the shootings weren't even "Life-threatening situations" to begin with.

 

*Wipes brow* Woo baby shit's getting serious in here, I'll just hide under my no-opinion blanket to avoid drawing ire.

 

I was half asleep when I replied.

 

Lemme just change the subject.


I disagree, Chucklefish is still terrible at planning.
But hey maybe they'll get it this time!

 

True. Not everyone holding a gun is for for bearing them. But you won't know that until they are in a live, stressful situation. What I'm saying is that you won't know how someone will react until they are in active duty.

And "Life-threatening situations" aren't always clear from the start. You can wait until shots are fired before pulling your own gun. Just pray that said first shot doesn't hit you.

And let's be honest here: if a cop just up and pulled a gun on an innocent, unarmed person, just what kind of training are they undergoing that allows people like that in the force?

 

Meh, you tried buddy. *Throws a no-opinion blanket at you*

 

wouldn't a post like this draw ire from those who care about the topic though? I'd just start a new conversation and let them have their fun.

maybe I'll talk about bioshock 2 in a bit now that i finished it

 

They are. Which is why we haven't heard a solid date for years now. I'm confident that short of a last-time unpredictable issue, they'll come through this time.

 

The guy who came up with that stupid phrase probably has never been in a foxhole himself.

Terrible at planning? Do you assume people can never grow? That once you make a mistake, you can never be trusted again?

 

Maybe the guy wasn't bad. Maybe he was as many cops occasionally get, stressed out of their mind and quite honestly snapped. He didn't know the other guys intentions.

Also where I live its a LOT more frequent for cops to be killed then to kill someone, every week one or two cops come up in the news.

Moral of the story is, each person is a series of novels, and we only read the cover of the first issue.

 

BioShock 2...I beat BS1, but haven't beat BS2. I remember exactly where I stopped playing BS2: after a tough battle and using a bunch of my resources, the game decides to throw a Big Sister at me. Saw the warning, closed the game, haven't played since lmao

 

How much do all of you think this costs to make?

 

I have a hankering for chimichangas now.

 

rip

It's probably my favorite Bioshock but that might change once I complete Infinite.