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Discussion in 'Other' started by ClamSlammer, Apr 29, 2013.

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  1. Evinagro

    Evinagro Cosmic Narwhal

    Yes, the game would be much better without any MLP content/easter eggs/indirect or direct references
     
  2. Pentarctagon

    Pentarctagon Over 9000!!!

    And yet you don't seem to understand probability much yourself. The size of the sample is immensely important when determining accuracy of data to reflect on a population, as is the location at which that data is gotten. 180/78,000 is about equal to 0.2% of the total forum population, and all the data was taken from the same topic. To put that into perspective, what you are proposing would be like taking a 600,000 sample of people only from New York City, and then applying the findings as representative of the entire United States (assuming 300 million people in the USA).

    edit -To be able to say that X% are for it and X% are against it, you would need a poll that was worded unbiasedly, and have a roughly equal distribution of people throughout the forum respond to the poll. Then for the sake of being really really accurate, to be 99% sure that whatever the results of the poll are within +/-1% of the actual value in the entire forum population, you would need a sample size of 13,715.
     
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  3. Tea Mate

    Tea Mate Existential Complex

    This is mostly true, you just forgot a few important details, that, as I understand, change most things.
    For one, the topic in this case is something that draws the attention of both those for (urgent to oppose the thread) and against (urgent to support the thread), and those simply curious what "MLP" meant, like me. So your comparison as if taking the whole data just from one city is kind of wrong, especially since internet users can browse through all threads the same way.
    Another things is that the sheer amount of data in question is important, not only percentage, which you seem to ignore quite soundly. Compare the possibility that out of 10 randomly picked people from some community who have either positive or negative concern towards the topic in the group, all will choose the same answer in a row, and that the same will happen when picking 100'000 people. The only thing where I might be wrong in this second statement though, is if it applies to the current situation.
    These things seem to have "slipped your mind".

    You don't understand this part at all.
    What I meant was that if you have a box with 100 cards each painted either blue or red, and you don't know how many are painted which colour, and after drawing 10 cards, nine of them are blue, you could make the presumption that there are probably more blue cards than red cards in the box. There's a higher CHANCE of that happening, because drawing the same colour card many times in a row has a higher probability of happening if there are more cards of that colour in the box. If there were only 9 blue cards in the box, and 91 red cards, the chances that you will manage to draw all those blue cards in one draw are very slim. Yet if there are 91 blue cards in the box and 9 red ones, you can be almost certain that most of the cards you'll draw will be blue. It is probability. Right now, lets say there are 10'000 cards in the forum. That's our box. We draw 100 cards. Out of those cards, we drew, lets say for simplicity's sake, 95 blue ones and 5 red ones. How high do you think the chance is that there are more red cards than blue cards in the box? True, the sample size is quite small, which makes it a bit shaky, yet the chance that the difference is so high by random is quite slim. It's like throwing a coin 100 times. In that case the chances are around 50/50. How high then the chance to get heads 95 times and tails only 5 times? Now, imagine you have a dice with 10 sides. On nine of them, the number written is 1, and on one side it's 2. Then the most probable thing to happen is to get number 1 90% of the time.

    In the end, I believe that it is quite pointless to discuss this, because in my experience neither side ever relents, even though usually the facts and theories presented by both sides are correct. It all comes down to application. For example how well can it be applied to our forums? Or matter of opinion. Is throwing a coin and getting tails 95% of the time plausible enough evidence that the coin has 10 sides, out of which 9 all have tails/ Could it have happened by chance? For some this evidence seems plausible enough, for others - not.
     
  4. Pentarctagon

    Pentarctagon Over 9000!!!

    For data to be statistically relevant, it needs to be compiled in an unbiased manner and from a wide variety of sources. The data you are referring to, which doesn't even really exist since it hasn't been quantified, is from a biased thread in subforum that is not widely read. Not to mention that this is only taking into account people who have actually posted something.

    Yes, the data is important, specifically your lack of any statistically meaningful data.

    Also your 10 people example is irrelevant. If you pick 10 people out of a population of 100, then conclusions can be drawn from it. If they are drawn from a population of 100,000 then they become meaningless because they do not represent nearly enough data to draw conclusions from.

    Again, this is irrelevant, simply because the population sizes you are using are so small. The 10k example is better (still not enough data to be particularly certain about it though), and you have no data to make the case that this is happening here.
     
  5. Berry Punch

    Berry Punch Big Damn Hero

    This thread is so full of pointless drama, who CARES if there's a easter egg of some kind that's a slight MLP reference? Cool if it's there, oh well if it's not. Heck, in Sins Of A Solar Empire Rebellion there's a direct MLP easter egg that's a planetary bonus called Space Ponies, with a MLP gen.. 3 or 2 pony with a fishbowl helmet as the actual icon. Was it easy to find? No, not at all, infact it was pretty damn rare considering that when you installed the game it was put on one random asteroid out of every map that's not a random generated one. Did everyone freak out? Not really, it was more of a WTF moment then they went on with just playing the game.
     
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  6. melodyburst

    melodyburst Big Damn Hero

    I was about to say that's copyright infringement, but then I remembered they never got mad at Nintendo for using Rainbow Dash. I think the only phrases they use that are completely copyrighted for more than toys are "My Little Pony." and MAYBE "Friendship is Magic."
     
  7. RedScarWolf

    RedScarWolf Spaceman Spiff

    Yeah, the only current trademark for Rainbow Dash is for the toys and accessories.
     
  8. Tea Mate

    Tea Mate Existential Complex


    Oh, sorry, getting 95 in a row is a HIGH chance, and probably happened randomly; how inconsiderate of me. Try showing the coin example, or the whole second part of my previous post to someone who understands probability and then ask THEM to explain it to you, because I can clearly see you don't understand.

    What I'm using is only slightly more complex than basic probability calculations which you don't seem to understand at all. I tried explaining it the best I could, but I see it wasn't good enough.
     
  9. The Question

    The Question Ketchup Robot

    From Pls No MLP Thread To Math In Mare( AHAHAHAHHAHA No.) Seconds.
     
  10. Tea Mate

    Tea Mate Existential Complex


    Yes.

    I'm unsubscribing though, because I can see she will try to argue further without answering what I wrote, because she can't understand the probability calculations I made.

    Carry on with the debate.
     
  11. Tleno

    Tleno Spaceman Spiff

    Hmmm... never knew of this. Still, better rather stay away from trademarkish names... how 'bout naming your NPC... Lauren Faust?
     
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  12. Necrius

    Necrius Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    Statistics, copyrights... I guess we came to a conclusion that MLP has equal rights to be cameo'd like WH40000, TES and Dr Who. And being afraid of angry prepubescents crapstorming forums and threatening to demand a refund/not buy the game is not an excuse to deny those rights. :cool:
     
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  13. Tleno

    Tleno Spaceman Spiff

    Indeed.

    Still, easter eggs and references should be a more subtle thing, it's easy to break immersion and game consistency with too obvious or to omany of them, so they altrough have a right to exist in a game or whatever else should be more... erm... subtle.
     
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  14. Necrius

    Necrius Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    Obvious and numerous Easter eggs and cameos ruin everything, no matter what is referenced.
     
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  15. Tleno

    Tleno Spaceman Spiff

    Exactly. In some cases reference land of absurd parodies works out well, even in some legendary games like old Fallout games, but still, subtilety is key to awesomeness here.
     
  16. Black ★ Rock Shooter

    Black ★ Rock Shooter Hard-To-Destroy Reptile

    I don't like MLP myself, as I'm really really tired of hearing about it at this point.

    I just liked my statistics classes.

    Humans are horrible at grasping probability. The simple existence and popularity of casinos is a powerful testament to that. Besides that, this is not a question of probability as it is a question of statistics.

    You cannot draw your conclusion from the data we have.

    The big issue: The sample is unrepresentative. It is invariably plagued by what is called Response Bias. Forum threads are not a representative sample of the population. They are composed of the people who care enough to post. This is also why telephone polls are pointless. To be a useful sample, it must be a representative sample, which it is not.


    This sample is useless. Simple as that. This stuff:
    Is irrelevant. The first point does not save the sample, as it has already been established that it fails to represent the entire population. The second has no bearing on the validity of the sample at this point.

    So, unfortunately...you're wrong. The sample is useless, and a new, well-sourced one is required before any valid conclusions with any weight can be drawn.
     
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  17. NightFire

    NightFire Parsec Taste Tester

    I don't no what the big deal about MLP is....i mean jesus guys if they want there damn ponies just give it to them what harm is it doing to you? NONE because a pony in the game will not affect you at all unless it's anything like that rabid unicorn in terraria..... i mean what's the big deal? pony-phobia? (not trying to start a fight i'm just stating whats the big deal if there is a pony in the game)
     
  18. Tea Mate

    Tea Mate Existential Complex


    Read the second part of what I wrote if you "understand" probability. I understand what you are talking statistics-wise. But you don't understand what I'm talking about probability-wise. And I am not saying this should be considered 100% accurate data according to which we can draw certain conclusions. I just said that we can sketchily see the percentages for and against more or less. Statistics-wise, you would say it is not enough, and yet probability-wise, it is very improbable that about 95 of the people who randomly came here are all against, and it is very likely there are more people against the idea than for it. Read the second part of my post with the blue and red card examples. Especially since in my view, this thread should draw both the attention of those for and those against somewhat equally. This is a question of both statistics AND of probability. The two are connected.

    By the way, why is this still giving me notifications? I thought it was the "unwatch thread" button that stopped that.
     
  19. SlypheedViperium

    SlypheedViperium Void-Bound Voyager

    This turned from about MLP to about understanding statistics and probability....da hell? I was thinking on the tenth page I'd see slight flaming or something, nope, probability and statistics, and how to understand those two concepts ._. I would think you guys would start a whole new thread to talk about that, maybe help thread, to help people who can't grasp the concept? Instead of filling this thread with irrelevant content?
     
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  20. Black ★ Rock Shooter

    Black ★ Rock Shooter Hard-To-Destroy Reptile

    Unfortunately, probability isn't the main issue. The sample is useless, your conclusion is invalid. Simple as that. You don't know the model of probability here, so your calculations don't work either. You are making assumptions about the population. People don't have a known percentage of opinions about MLP, especially on a new forum that hasn't been measured in any way relevant to such numbers.


    Replies give notifications regardless of thread watch status.
     
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