Motors and fuel thread (name changed) First of all, i say that this is an idea exposition thread. So, if you have an idea of any kind of fuel or motor kind, post it and i'll edit this post if your idea is enough good (i mean if some other users think so , i won't refuse an idea just because i don't like it). Please read this before giving an idea! If you have an idea, post it similar to this: 1-Name of the motor and the fuel it uses. 2-Explain materials, crafting, etc. for the motor(don't need to specify the quantity of each material, as it will come later, in base of how easy/hard is it to find) . 3-Explain how to obtain that fuel, and if it has other uses than just being fuel. 4-Explain also some physics or so of that fuel(like, petroleum is liquid, and wood is solid) 5-If you want, you can also give extra information about them, or some drawings for how do you think will the motor/fuel look like. If you can't think of some of the points above (like, don't know what you can use to make the motor for your fuel), don't worry, there are lots of users out there that can and will help thinking on it (I hope). Also, you can go here to get an idea of what material can your motor use for crafting. Idea Scheme 1-Name: (Need for ideas)* 2-Materials: (Need for ideas)* 3-Fuel location and obtaining: (Need for ideas)* 4-Fuel physics: (Need for ideas)* 5-Extra info: (Need for ideas)* *(remove this, but don't do if you aren't going to give that point.) I might also say, that there could be various tiers of motors working with the same fuel, and various tiers of fuels that make work one same motor. And of course the tier numbers here can be changed if we think so. Here are some of the ideas right now: Linkunarre's idea 1-Name: Of course, Steam Engine, which use Wood as fuel. 2-Materials: sure you'll need iron, or some other low tier metal. I think it could be Iron, for the main engine, and leather, for the driving belt (it's that the good word?). And maybe there could also be a lighter version of it made of aluminium (if this one finally gets in the game, i saw it in a thread in ores). 3-Fuel location and obtaining: Wood.I think i don't have to explain how the wood is found, or used, as it's only... wood. 4-Fuel physics: Again, it's only wood. It comes of trees , and from supermarkets. 5-Extra info: Any extra info to show here. maybe if someone wants to draw an scheme of it... Sprite made by Bounding Star Linkunarre's idea 1-Name: Combustion Engine, using Gasoline as fuel . 2-Materials: (Need for ideas) 3-Fuel Location and obtaining: Gasoline. Obtained from petroleum, found very deep underground (like in an underground cave, roundish and filled up with petroleum). To get the petroleum, you need to craft oil barrels: they are made of 20 parts of any metal. the lowest tier one can contain up to 5 parts of petroleum, and the best one up to 50 (just an example) 4-Fuel Physics: Gasoline is liquid, more fluent than water(again, don't know if right word). If in open air, it has a chance of 1/8 every minute to evaporate (not in open air means in a barrel, or closed with blocs all around it). It burns, and when one part is burning (in a row of "blocks"), it burns out the adjacent one in a chance of 8/10 each 1/4 seconds (fast, isn't it?). 5-Extra Info: Petroleum, should be surrounded by a difficult(but not too much) to mine thing, so you can't get with the worst tools. It can also be used to craft Plastic, which has the same uses as glass, but cheaper and less fragile (another use for it could be to make explosives, but using it to make the exterior part.), and can be dyed. Physics of petroleum: it acts like water, but more dense. Each part of petroleum (1 block) can burn out from 10 up to 30 min , then disappear . If you have , let's say 10 parts of petroleum in a row and you burn the first one, every second it has a chance of 1/5 to burn out the adjacent one (slower than gasoline). Oricalcum's idea 1-Name: Crystal Engine, using Crystals as fuel. 2-Materials: Iron/Steel, Copper/gold wire, and water/solar panels. If water, you'll need a steam-powered turbine. 3-Fuel location and obtaining: It uses crystals for fuel, these can be found on your average crystal planet 4-Fuel physics: It's a solid that emits much heat and light. 5-Extra info: There are two ways of building this 1) Steam 2) "Solar" 1) You build the engine like a bowl, put water in it, then suspend the crystal a little above it. You attach the steam-powered turbine above the crystal. The crystal is so hot, that it will cause steam, turning the turbine. 2) You suspend the crystal, and cover the inside (where the crystal is) with solar panels, creating solar panel. BioApple's idea 1-Name: Fuel Cell Motor , using Hydrogen as fuel. 2-Materials: I think it would use Iron or Steel or some middle-tier metal, as well as some sort of plastic and wire. 3-Fuel Location and Obtaining: Hydrogen would be created by putting water through electrolysis, which would require some sort of special apparatus to be wired up. In addition to uses as fuel, hydrogen is very flammable, and it is the lightest element in the universe. Hydrogen is fused during nuclear fusion in stars, so maybe it could be used in the FPM too. :/ 4-Fuel Physics: As previously stated, hydrogen is extremely flammable. It cannot be seen, and must be pumped into the motor from some sort of tank rather than directly put into the vehicle. 5-Extra Info: Fuel Cell Motors are generally less powerful than other motors, and you have to craft the electrolyzer and the tank (several fuel companies around the galaxy suppress the use of Fuel Cell Motors so public tanks are rare), but the fuel is very cheap and the engine runs at incredibly high levels of fuel efficiency and gives off no pollution. Linkunarre's idea 1-Name: FPM (Fusion Powered Motor), using Fusion blocks as fuel. 2-Materials: It uses Titanium for crafting it. 3-Fuel location and obtaining: Since it's Fusion and not Fission, it doesn't use radioactive metals. I'd like it to use Oxygen atoms, but it's difficult to obtain them one-by-one. So Fusion blocks instead! How to get them: You need to have a Fusion Transformer, which transforms air to Fusion Blocks using Lava, Stone , Lead and some Gold. (it's the only way i can think it can cost you to convert Air to Fusion Blocks, if you have one better, post it!) 4-Fuel physics: Its a solid block, with light blue color and translucent , and when you stand on it you float a little bit (you can't fly, so don't make it just for this, man) 5-Extra info: I'ts very useful for space ships, but for ground transports isn't as good as that spaceship motors. It's still better than Fuel Cell Motor, though. Alpha_Squad's idea 1-Name: Matter-Antimatter 'Engine', using Hydrogen and anti-Hydrogen as fuel. 2-Materials: Tritanium, water, turbine, advanced storage system and piping system 3-Fuel location and obtaining: Hydrogen (found in abundance on gas planets) and anti-hydrogen (created from an positron [made by a high energy particle accelerator] and a anti-proton [made by most radio-active materials]) 4-Fuel physics: In two separate cells there is hydrogen and anti-hydrogen, which is suspended so that the anti-hydrogen does not touch the anything, and in between the cells is the chamber where they will meet. The hydrogen and anti-hydrogen forced into the chamber causing a matter-anti-matter collision converting the atoms into pure energy. The energy is then dissipated throughout the chamber heating the water in pipes around the chamber. The heated water turns into steam turns a turbine creating electrical energy. 5-Extra info: Efficiency of the 'engine' is dependent upon the quality of the turbine. A failure in the engine will cause a massive explosion. Obtaining the anti-hydrogen is actually not the difficult part of the process. The problem lies in storage of the anti-hydrogen, it can not physically touch any matter or it will explode. Therefore, an advanced storage system will be mandatory for this 'engine.' §hifter's idea 1-Name: Gravitational engine, not using fuel, but needs Stabiliser. 2-Materials: You would need a crystal with piezoelectric properties and some super-heavy matter(the kind of matter you can find in neutron stars or black holes). Also, you would need a stabiliser that can be found on end-game planets. 3-Fuel location and obtaining: Simple quartz could do as the crystal. You can only store the super-heavy matter when you have a stabiliser. There is no fuel usage. 4-Fuel physics: This wouldn't use up fuel(it's kind of like renewable energy), and the super-heavy matter you would get couldn't be used anywhere else. 5-Extra info: When pressed, piezoelectric crystals create energy. So inside the stabiliser, the piezoelectric crystal would be in the middle, and the super-heavy matter on both sides. There would also be 2 plates in between the crystal and both pieces of super-heavy matter, one of each would block gravitational impulses sent by the matter i mentioned, while the other would not. The one that blocks impulses is closer to the super-heavy matter and can be moved and you get both types as part of the stabiliser. The one that doesn't block gravitational waves should be closer to the crystal. It would be used to block the item(loose-metal-plate) from being crushed completely by the super heavy matter by stopping it mid-way.Their material is unknown. Another thing you would have would be a heavy plate of metal. that is between each gravity-blocking and non-gravity blocking plates and the crystal. So here's how it would work: 1.The engine is in peace mode. The loose metal disks are floating in non-gravitational space between the crystal and the plate. 2. One of the plates that block gravity is moved away. Both free-floating metal plates begin to fall towards the direction of the super-heavy matter in one side. One hits the piezoelectric crytal and stops, producing energy. The other is blocked by a metal plate. 3. The gravity-blocking plate goes back into place, while the gravity-blocking plate on the other side slides away. Both loose plates begin to fall in the other direction. Now the one that just touched the crystal hits the metal plate on the other side, while the one that just touched the metal plate hits the crystal from the other side, thus producing energy again. 4. This cycle continues. Congrats, you have an infinite engine that doesn't consume fuel. I could draw it to explain better. Also there could be an upgrade(/s): Upgrade1: You could turn the super-heavy matter even heavier by bombarding that matter with neutrons. That way, the matter could become as heavy as the matter in black holes. This would increase the energy output. The stabiliser would take care of keeping it stable instead of dissipating or crushing everything around it. Upgrade2: You could upgrade the stabiliser itself so it would replace the metal plates that stop the loose-moving-metal-plates from getting crushed into the super-heavy matter, by giving those plates piezoelectric properties(via attaching crystals on the corner perhaps). That's how i imagine a gravitational engine could work. Of course, it would be an end-game engine. Finding small stabilisers wouldn't be easy even on end-game planets. Finding one large enough for you ship would be really hard.
I think that since Starbound is a sci-fi game, there will be better tings than petroleum as fuel. And i think there will be better substitutes for plastic. Especially considering the damage it can do to a planet. However, perhaps you could find it in less-technologically-evolved planets. Or in post-apocalyptic, highly polluted planets. That would be kind of nice. Perhaps that could even elp you make money? You buy a lot of cheap petroleum in a planet that doesn't use it any more(because it has better substitutes), and then sell it in a less-developed planet for a high price. So i guess it could work. By the way, are you sure about the 1/8 chance to evaporate? I don't think petroleum evaporates that fast. Or am i mixing it with some other type of alkane?
it's a good idea, to find it in post-apocalyptic planets, or LTE planets. And, using it to get money is a good idea too. But, what i thought, was to have it be a old-fashioned fuel, so , let's say this one it's worse than another one such as... nuclear fusion powered motors (not fission, which lets you have tons of radioactive waste), but is cheaper (or easier) to get when just starting the game. so you start with petroleum powered motors (wich crash easier and they consume a lot more), and you can go upgrading your technology. also i think i could edit the post an all this in a whole post, so it isn't just a petroleum thread, but a fuel and motors technology instead.
Contribution time! 1-Name: Fuel Cell Motor (uses hydrogen as fuel) 2-Materials: I think it would use Iron or Steel or some middle-tier metal, as well as some sort of plastic and wire. 3-Fuel Location and Obtaining: Hydrogen would be created by putting water through electrolysis, which would require some sort of special apparatus to be wired up. In addition to uses as fuel, hydrogen is very flammable, and it is the lightest element in the universe. Hydrogen is fused during nuclear fusion in stars, so maybe it could be used in the FPM too. :/ 4-Fuel Physics: As previously stated, hydrogen is extremely flammable. It cannot be seen, and must be pumped into the motor from some sort of tank rather than directly put into the vehicle. 5-Extra Info: Fuel Cell Motors are generally less powerful than other motors, and you have to craft the electrolyzer and the tank (several fuel companies around the galaxy suppress the use of Fuel Cell Motors so public tanks are rare), but the fuel is very cheap and the engine runs at incredibly high levels of fuel efficiency and gives off no pollution
For Starbound! 1-Name: Crystal Engine 2-Materials: Iron/Steel, Copper/gold wire, and water/solar panels. If water, you'll need a steam-powered turbine. 3-Fuel location and obtaining: It uses crystals for fuel, these can be found on your average crystal planet 4-Fuel physics: It's a solid that emits much heat and light. 5-Extra info: There are two ways of building this 1) Steam 2) "Solar" 1) You build the engine like a bowl, put water in it, then suspend the crystal a little above it. You attach the steam-powered turbine above the crystal. The crystal is so hot, that it will cause steam, turning the turbine. 2) You suspend the crystal, and cover the inside (where the crystal is) with solar panels, creating solar panel.
Fuel Cell motor i think should be Tier4, because Crystal engine is less dangerous (i think it doesn't explode!), and it can be made form steam-powered turbine (and steam motor is tier1). so Fuel Cell Motor is Tier4, Crystal Engine is Tier3, and i'll put FPM into tier 5 (and if there are any more motors less powerful than this one or another one, i will change it, as i said before)
Idea Scheme 1-Name: Gravitational engine. 2-Materials: You would need a crystal with piezoelectric properties and some super-heavy matter(the kind of matter you can find in neutron stars or black holes). Also, you would need a stabiliser that can be found on end-game planets. 3-Fuel location and obtaining: Simple quartz could do as the crystal. You can only store the super-heavy matter when you have a stabiliser. There is no fuel usage. 4-Fuel physics: This wouldn't use up fuel(it's kind of like renewable energy), and the super-heavy matter you would get couldn't be used anywhere else. 5-Extra info: When pressed, piezoelectric crystals create energy. So inside the stabiliser, the piezoelectric crystal would be in the middle, and the super-heavy matter on both sides. There would also be 2 plates in between the crystal and both pieces of super-heavy matter, one of each would block gravitational impulses sent by the matter i mentioned, while the other would not. The one that blocks impulses is closer to the super-heavy matter and can be moved and you get both types as part of the stabiliser. The one that doesn't block gravitational waves should be closer to the crystal. It would be used to block the item(loose-metal-plate) from being crushed completely by the super heavy matter by stopping it mid-way.Their material is unknown. Another thing you would have would be a heavy plate of metal. that is between each gravity-blocking and non-gravity blocking plates and the crystal. So here's how it would work: 1.The engine is in peace mode. The loose metal disks are floating in non-gravitational space between the crystal and the plate. 2. One of the plates that block gravity is moved away. Both free-floating metal plates begin to fall towards the direction of the super-heavy matter in one side. One hits the piezoelectric crytal and stops, producing energy. The other is blocked by a metal plate. 3. The gravity-blocking plate goes back into place, while the gravity-blocking plate on the other side slides away. Both loose plates begin to fall in the other direction. Now the one that just touched the crystal hits the metal plate on the other side, while the one that just touched the metal plate hits the crystal from the other side, thus producing energy again. 4. This cycle continues. Congrats, you have an infinite engine that doesn't consume fuel. I could draw it to explain better. Also there could be an upgrade(/s): Upgrade1: You could turn the super-heavy matter even heavier by bombarding that matter with neutrons. That way, the matter could become as heavy as the matter in black holes. This would increase the energy output. The stabiliser would take care of keeping it stable instead of dissipating or crushing everything around it. Upgrade2: You could upgrade the stabiliser itself so it would replace the metal plates that stop the loose-moving-metal-plates from getting crushed into the super-heavy matter, by giving those plates piezoelectric properties(via attaching crystals on the corner perhaps). That's how i imagine a gravitational engine could work. Of course, it would be an end-game engine. Finding small stabilisers wouldn't be easy even on end-game planets. Finding one large enough for you ship would be really hard.
We must consider that we start off with a space shuttle/space station. So, I think we start off with some pretty advanced 'motors' and 'fuels'. Also, these look more like generators than an actual motor or way to propel one's self... 1-Name: Matter-Antimatter 'Engine' 2-Materials: Tritanium, water, turbine, advanced storage system and piping system 3-Fuel location and obtaining: Hydrogen (found in abundance on gas planets) and anti-hydrogen (created from an positron [made by a high energy particle accelerator] and a anti-proton [made by most radio-active materials]) 4-Fuel physics: In two separate cells there is hydrogen and anti-hydrogen, which is suspended so that the anti-hydrogen does not touch the anything, and in between the cells is the chamber where they will meet. The hydrogen and anti-hydrogen forced into the chamber causing a matter-anti-matter collision converting the atoms into pure energy. The energy is then dissipated throughout the chamber heating the water in pipes around the chamber. The heated water turns into steam turns a turbine creating electrical energy. 5-Extra info: Efficiency of the 'engine' is dependent upon the quality of the turbine. A failure in the engine will cause a massive explosion. Obtaining the anti-hydrogen is actually not the difficult part of the process. The problem lies in storage of the anti-hydrogen, it can not physically touch any matter or it will explode. Therefore, an advanced storage system will be mandatory for this 'engine.'
That's right, but Tier 1-2 motors could be used for ground transports, but not for upgrading a space ship. Then, with Tier 3 and greater motors could be used for both things, (and maybe some ones just for space ships, like your idea and §hifter's). So, until you reach Tier 3 technology, you can't upgrade your Ship, since the Tiers before that one are only usable for Ground transports (Ground means that you can't go out to the space. In this case, i consider helicopters as ground transports, like motorbikes or motorboats.) Also, motors and generators are almost the same thing, the only difference is that motors transform fuel into movement, and generators do transform it into electricity. also, Updated.
Someone order a steam engine sprite? http://community.playstarbound.com/...7/&temp_hash=c15cfc6f564ad5853941fb1125de9780 This is my first ever pixel art, if don't want to use it that's fine.
bounding star, that's a cool sprite, but it could be better in some ways. for example, there's a place where it has some shading, but the rest of the sprite doesn't have any. if you improve that i'll put it in the post!
10 minutes later... Try this one. My best yet! But it's still not that good. http://community.playstarbound.com/...4/&temp_hash=934519ada07993937a9b441f17de731f
now it's way better! i'll add it to the post, maybe with something changed, if you let me do it. also, don't double post, you can edit the first one
Sure you can do anything you want! P.s. It won't let me edit a post more than 5 min after it is last saved.
oh... ok then. also, will you let me edit a bit your engine? (i'll still post it with your name, of course)
