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Moons and Starbound - Illogical Logic

Discussion in 'Starbound Discussion' started by Strife, Dec 25, 2013.

  1. Strife

    Strife Existential Complex

    Due to a recent update, Moons no longer have an atmosphere, meaning you quickly run out of oxygen without being properly prepared.

    While by itself, this does not bother. However, since moons are a type of biome and thus this characteristic applies to all of them, it does indeed irritate me.

    People generally look up at night and see Earth's moon and consider that to be the only type of moon. Since our moon has no significant atmosphere, people simply assume that all moons must be the same.

    That type of logic is inaccurate. Just like planets and stars, there are many types of moons. Since a moon is really only the natural satellite of a planet, there are some moons that are even much larger than Earth. It is this type of diversity that allows for some moons to have a breathable atmosphere (and some planets to not).

    I understand that Starbound is simply a game, but having moons allow the possibility (albeit small) to generate with an atmosphere (or heck, some planets rarely not have one) would be nice - and logical!
     
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  2. Erick648

    Erick648 Pangalactic Porcupine

    I would interpret the "moon" biome to mean "this object is similar to Earth's moon," rather than "this object is a moon in the astronomical sense." Many "planets" in this game share an orbit with gas giants or other planets that are far larger than them, and thus are likely moons in the astronomical sense, but have biomes other than the "moon" biome.
     
  3. SioxerNic

    SioxerNic Big Damn Hero

    In a logical sense other planets does not have "Moons" they have satellites.
    So saying "Moon" is pretty fitting honestly, especially people will think of it as Earths Moon if they don't delve deeper into it.
     
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  4. Blaster Master

    Blaster Master Star Wrangler

    Yeah, it does seem a little strange. Personally, I think it should be random. Some planets IRL don't have an atmosphere but some moons IRL do. However, no asteroids have atmospheres so I guess those should be the only sure bets in-game to not have one.
     
  5. Littleman88

    Littleman88 Big Damn Hero

    The term moon here is to identify a lack of atmosphere. When you pick a planet cluster, typically there is always one larger planet and a bunch of smaller "worlds" around it. A huge desert with one really small arid, 2 really small snow planets is effectively 1 planet and 3 moons in a more traditional sense. The term "moon" as recognized in Starbound just means "lifeless rock."
     
  6. Vahnkiljoy

    Vahnkiljoy Ketchup Robot

    I just wish they didn't limit the exploration of them until tier 3.
     
  7. julz19

    julz19 Phantasmal Quasar

    this!
     
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  8. Slimy

    Slimy Pangalactic Porcupine

    Yeah, I think some moons should have atmospheres (with color, or a gradient in the sky) and some planets should have no atmosphere (with stars always visible). Identifying them will be less hit-and-miss once the navigation menu gives us more information on planets. I know that in this sense, "moon" means a planet like Earth's moon. But variation is always good!
     
  9. Fiben Bolger

    Fiben Bolger Pangalactic Porcupine

    When you enter a system you have a few primary planets orbiting the sun. Anything orbiting around that primary planet is a satellite and is considered a moon. In this game, the designation of moon now means a satellite with no atmosphere. The other satellites with different designations (forest, arid, etc) are still moons, but moons with an atmosphere.

    In essence, what you are asking for already exists.

    [Edit]:I really have to stop posting here after a few adult beverages. I just repeated what a few people explained already. Maybe a bit better? No? OK, I'll go now.
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2013
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  10. GSGregory

    GSGregory Ketchup Robot

    That is no moon!
     
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  11. Johnno

    Johnno Space Spelunker

    The main illogical thing about 'moons' (goes for asteroid belts as well) is that there's no oxygen to breathe, yet torches work fine.

    I think it'd be a neat addition to locations lacking an atmosphere if torches wouldn't deploy and instead just fall on the surface as loot, like in water. Would put the flashlight to good use again, and open up for helmets with lights as well.
     
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  12. Gazz

    Gazz Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    Technically you're right in that the type of a celestial body is in no way related to it being a satellite of a planet or not.
    You could have a veritable planet orbit a gas giant. Or a binary planet.

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    In game terms, no one cares. Sorry.
    It's a moon. It has moonish properties. Probably low gravity, too. Because everyone knows that the moon is like that.
    So all moons must be like that.

    Damn moonists! (like racists, only with moons)
     
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  13. Insane

    Insane Big Damn Hero

    It`d be better to throw away all the difference between the planets and moons and rather use the "celestial bodies". When one uses the starmap, one can check that body`s parametres such as size, population, gravity and atmosphere(alongside with the already planned dungeon feature thing). Ore density would be neat to be checked aswell, but that is not really what this post is about.
     
  14. Gazz

    Gazz Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    That would require a degree of astronomic accuracy (or was it astrologic? =) that is extremely unlikely to happen in this game. =P
     
  15. Fiben Bolger

    Fiben Bolger Pangalactic Porcupine

    Veritable planets? That's like saying a woman was "almost pregnant" . It either is or it isn't; there is no "veritable". (Shout out to our misunderstood cosmic buddy: You the man, Pluto).

    Blinding you with science and language technicalities.
     
  16. Zody

    Zody Weight of the Sky

    Well, if we look at our own solar system we have one moon, Titan, that has an atmosphere that is thick enough to be breathable if it was of an earth-like composition, so working from that in our solar system moons with thick atmospheres occur at an 1 to 165 ratio moons with breathable atmospheres would be pretty damn rare. Or, as was stated by Erick648 the "moon" biome may simply refer to objects similar to Earths moon.
     
  17. Strife

    Strife Existential Complex

    The definition of moon (not Moon) simply is "a planet's natural satellite".

    Just FYI.

    I really hope you don't mind me stealing that phrase, because it's mine now :D
     
  18. Firetempest

    Firetempest Big Damn Hero

    Maybe a mod could change the name of Moon biome planets to simply Vacuum for the real sticklers.
     
  19. Metal Links

    Metal Links Master Chief

    What I don't understand are the birds on the moon. There is no gas on the moon for the birds to apply force against to fly. Birds should spawn in a moon biome.
     
  20. Firetempest

    Firetempest Big Damn Hero

    Well, our moon has gasses. Still pretty much vacuum though. Yet if there were space jellies, or stuff that was a little less terrestrial. Could still cover the flying spectrum of animals in a more pleasing manner.
     

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