Keg/Bee House nerf, bit of a overkill there, no?

personally i think the resin will be easier to come by than the clay...
you essentially get a keg or beehive per week per tapper...

my guess is he wants it to be more farm progression based..
rather than simply pop down into the mines for one day and come out of it with 10 beehives.
(thats just 100 lumps of copper... super easy to farm if you keep exiting and reentering using the lift)

also.. tappers continue to produce even during winter.
would give people something to do while preparing for spring.



true, it will not be easy for someone in his/her first year to do this
but hives and kegs use coal and iron respectively, which only really start to appear in large quantities in the ice section of the mines.

most people will have at least 1 or 2 tappers out by then... you did just go through 39 levels of copper.
and if you really need the money that badly this entire argument will be pointless because you wouldnt be doing this.

you would be fishing.
or planting blueberries.

and looking at this thread.

 

Well at least now it will take a few more seasons before the farms become breweries. Tbh, i welcome in fact any change that forces the player to diversify.

 

Deleth, after investigating your posts I have come to the conclusion that you cannot be reasoned with no matter what kind of logic is presented to you. There used to be another on this forum who acted similarly to you, and there are probably still a few around who remember him. His name was Hollow. He was banned. So I would suggest cooling down a bit lest you meet the same fate.

It is totally fine to disagree, but you point a lot of fingers and make a few too many personal calls. I may not be a mod, but I still think you should heed my warning.

 

I think it's fine.
It makes it so kegs/beehouses aren't as ridiculously overprofitable as before (every time I see a deluxe barn filled with kegs, I just feel like that wasn't the intention) and gives unused resources a use other than selling for a bit of cash every now and then.

 

Deleth wanna tap them trunks so bad. (Insert lenny-face here)

 

The issue is previously you could just buy beehives/kegs once you have enough money. Just go to clint and buy the bars needed and you can build a 500 barrel brewery in 1 day if you wanted to. (And you can also buy the furnaces to smelt the bars)

 

I feel it is more balanced this way... but im keeping the ones I've already crafted.


No backsies!

 

The inside of my house is literally a rackhouse.

 

Goodness gracious, your sentences were quite long and difficult to understand. But that's the least of my problems with your post here. The Keg change was certainly needed. As most players know, Kegs ultimately triple the value of your fruit. Sure, it takes 6 days, but with enough Kegs, you can make some serious cash off wine. CA realized this and made an appropriate change. I'm unable to understand how you could be upset with this. Oak Resin and Maple Syrup are simple to obtain in 3 of the 4 seasons. We all know this, and new players will learn this as well.

You mentioned in your post that Tappers are "actually expensive and later extremly cheap" for new players. Well, that's actually true for every craftable item in the early stages of the game. Stop defending the new players. Learning how to play SV efficiently is half the fun.

Thanks CA for all that you've done. You're wonderful, and this game is a work of art.

 

Ugh... I knew that people would be disgruntled about the sudden change. Tbh, I am too. Not because of the nerf itself, but the fact that it was a bomb dropped on us. I restarted my game with the goal of trying out the brewery business and am currently in the mid game, and then this happens. Tar/Resin/Syrup isn't hard to get if you had planned it from the start, but now my farm is as bare as an old man's head... I had chopped down every trees... The feeling of having your plans disrupted by such uncalled changes is truly annoying.

 

If you wait a bit (or speeding up the process and planting tree seeds) the trees will come back. I had cleared out my farm by the time winter hit, then in spring I noticed tree sprouts all over my farm.
So while unannounced changes (no patch notes, even if they're small) may be a little annoying, this change wasn't all that bad. I had a keg farm up and running but wasn't really happy by how quick (being I could buy all the resources) I was able to set everything up. Now I'm starting a new file for the Joja line, I got more challenges (and more money sinks) ahead of me. This will make it fun~

 

Overkill or not, it's definitely a pain to have NO pine resin built up because it's useless, and then suddenly the direction you were expanding your farm now requires...a bunch of pine resin.

 

And by the blast of godknowswhoseatsupthere, the change came right before I was about to start making kegs after amassing clay, copper, and iron... what luck... LOL omfg... Yes, it is true that I can start designing my farms for the tapping industry as well as planting there, but trees grow freaking slow, and tapping is snail pace too... So meanwhile, I'm gonna cry while waiting for the tapping industry to start working...

 

Well you could always put taps on the trees in the forest south of your farm.. infact you can put them on most trees (I haven't done this yet) but apparently others have and they have a crazy big supply of sap and tar going on.

 

yup.. the change hurts those who are actually making kegs the most.
brand new players will jsut plan for it =x

oo i should try this

 

@Mr. V , are you messing with me? You wrote an entire post which completely ignored the topic at hand to resort to an ad hominem attack solely because you disagree with me.

Let's see, personal attack, leading into personal opinion, leading into faulty conclusion based on aforementioned personal opinion. Yes kegs tripple the value, meanwhile Preservation Barrels double it +50 in around 2 days. What this change might very well do is see many people fall back on Preservation Jars. At which point he'll have to nerf them also. Which will simply lead to people finding the next most lucrative thing in line and resuming. It's an endless cycle that will never reach the effect of "diversificating" the farm.

Someone needs to tell me yet how "people making loads of money!" is an issue, as there's no balance that is required as there's no competitive play and money doesn't "break" the game in any kind of way either as you can easily get all the stuff without putting much effort into it and all there is to buy with those millions you make are golden cat statues.

No, I mentioned that for new players this change alone makes kegs and beehives extraordinarily expensive as they usually need that funding and the resources for other things. Which means he just hurt those new players. While for everyone with an etablished farm this change does nothing but make the entire process more cumbersome. I'm sitting on around 400 kegs myself, so all this means is that now I have to run around and put tappers on every single last tree and then occasionally harvest it. It's not difficult to do anymore as I drown in resource anyway but it basically forces the generation time of the product needed upon me and slows me down in a fairly unfun way.

Look this whole "Lol u mad" thing is the only thing making me mad here. As it's some cheap attempt at trying to dismiss the oppositions argument based on their falsely attributed state of mood.

Or they might just go for barrels instead, then he'll have to nerf those two at which point people will figure out the next most efficient/least investment method repeat ad infinitum.

Look, that's the issue. There is nothing to "work out" here. It's not a puzzle. It's just a simple "need X", "set up so I get X" situation. Which in this case means spamming tappers on every single last tree out there. At which point one has to wait 6-8 days depending on what you're producing for each batch to come in. Depending on number of tappers, the waiting time will be pretty damn high. Even with 50 tappers for Maple Syrup you're looking at several months time of waiting solely so you can set up what you had planned out.

Impossible? No. Cumbersome and slow? Yes. I also never said this was done on purpose to destroy people's fun, it might very well however lead to it. If you'd set up 10 tappers for Maple Syrup, you'd get it around every 8 days. Which means 80 days for 100 Maple. That's nearly an entire year of doing nothing but waiting for maple. This is not me saying one can't set up even more, it's just to give you some numbers for thought.

Then how is people setting up huge keg/bee farms an issue, how is making loads of money breaking the game?

Yet this change tries to do exactly that with kegs and bee hives and you guys cheer it on, so how can you be certain this wont be the next thing that'll see a nerf, after Preservation Barrels, Ancient Fruit and such were dealt with?

Actually, time is the one thing which counts in this game. It's not one of patience. time management, getting the maximum out of the little time you have and thus are core mechanics of the game. Otherwise days would be a whole lot longer than they currently are. Heck there's even a timer till you get judged for your progress.

 

While there is a judgement on your farm.. Grandpa actually doesn't care how many kegs and beehives you have. Not only this but you can get re-evaluated later if you give a diamond to his shrine, so it's not that much of a big deal if you're mass producing with kegs/beehives.

 

pale ale is one of the most lucrative things you can do.
both by profit and by rate of return.

if you plan properly, you would only be limited by how much clay you can find.
crossing a million in your first summer wasnt impossible.

...i think this was done to delay that a little.

that said,

as someone who made a spreadsheet, i have to agree with this point... there will always be a "best" option for a specific situation.
ideally there are a few different best options for different situations, but for a game thats based on a lot of planning, and no competition, it still wont result in much diversification.

 

Lol, that's not what he's trying to say.

My 2cents are these, CA probably wanted to add more challenges into the game for players to overcome as they try to reach their goals with their intended direction. Someone, somewhere, in this thread mentioned about future features, and I think that could perhaps be the case. The balancing is probably done now to support the future features that would come to be implemented, if.

Then again, I so very very sincerely pray and hope that CA could stop dropping bombs on us... give us some prior notice please...

 

I think I may have missed it if someone mentioned it but has anyone started a new farm with these changes into mind? That is where the comments is best from, both from someone that just played and those that just bought the game.