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Is this game politically neutral?

Discussion in 'Starbound Discussion' started by Carnehan, Dec 26, 2013.

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  1. icerimp

    icerimp Big Damn Hero

    Starbound is a game with no classes so it might just be Marxist.
     
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  2. Stormsson

    Stormsson Astral Cartographer

    It is not, because whatever the devs will put in, you'll interpret it with your own mind.And therefore you WILL find a way to misinterpret it at your own benefit.

    btw, this is not a starbound problem.
     
  3. OobleckTheGreen

    OobleckTheGreen Space Kumquat

    Miscegenation? Marxism? Don't be silly. I mean, there WAS that little bit in the early Beta about Dr. Tiy, of course. The good doctor who lived amongst the different races and finally struck upon the idea of interbreeding wildly different creatures to create a veritable "mob" of unusual creatures with even more unusual body parts, which he placed, 2 aggressive and 1 passive, upon each world in the known universe. He left them nearly penniless but imbued them with a sense of indignant rage against the tyrannical machine, which can be seen in their interactions with the "bourgeois" player character classes, especially those who hoarde material goods and share not with the downtrodden proletariat monster classes.

    But other than that, not so much.
     
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  4. Battybattybats

    Battybattybats Poptop Tamer

    It has merchants in it, so there isn't any Marxist lessons, instead it contains capitalism, so that should be the end of that problem for you.

    If you are worried about 'progressive' ideas, while some specific political parties over the years around the world (from the extreme far right to the extreme far left) have tried to lay claim to the term or tried to use it against their opponents as some form of insult, do please recall that all modern democracy is based on the Enlightenment philosophies of many centuries past which build from the basic concepts of the State of Nature (total anarchy means people will abuse each other, so some form of law is required to stop that) and Science (knowing new things means you can do new things some of which can be good) and the Rights of Man (the only way to ensure the state does not simply become the biggest abuser is to ensure that every able person has a say in it and even then majority rule must be limited by the equal rights of every single individual so that the majority may not trample on the rights even of a single person, a minority of one). Upon these concepts the French Revolution, English Civil War, the foundation of the United States of America, the Eureka Stockade Uprising and many many many more are all based and have become the basis of nearly every legal and political system in the world.

    These notions led to pretty much all the worlds present states, (especially the USA, but even the worlds Monarchies have in the main so reformed post-enlightenment as to bear little similarity to pre-enlightenment politics) so actually even an arch-conservative American is unavoidably a progressive. Both communism and capitalism are both equally progressive political notions just differing in which changes they forsee as producing the good progress. Conservatism is progressive in that it seeks to preserve the existing positive progress of the improvements of the last several centuries of civilisation and defend it against whatever they see as erosion of that progress, democracy is progressive, fascism is progressive, totalitarianism is progressive, libertarianism is progressive, even most subsets of anarchy are progressive.

    Every single branch of politics emerging from within at least the last several centuries is therefore progressive. And even an out-and-out Monarchist holding to a divine-right-of-kings notion will struggle not to have had some aspect of Enlightenment thinking incorporated into their politics.

    So, with all the modern worlds politics for centuries being simply different forms of progressive perhaps you should narrow down which of the myriad versions of progressivism you were referring to.
     
  5. SeaJay

    SeaJay Space Kumquat

    No actual story yet, besides being a refugee / rebel of some type.

    There really isn't much NPC interaction at all. The most you'll get out of an NPC is some random comment.

    There are no communist constructs present in the game, or endorsements thereof.

    The Apex mainly consists of a fascist dictatorship afaik (I don't read into the lore much). Some of their posters resemble Soviet propaganda. They don't have a bad nor a good portrayal (if anything, I'd lean towards bad).

    The Avian race has a highly religious, cultish sect which makes some of their members jump off tall buildings. Their non-religious sect are cool guys. Make what you will of that.

    The Glitch are feudal robots. So.... yeah.

    Humans, Florans and Hylotl are devoid of political comment afaik.

    The game is devoid of miscegenation, mainly because the different races are most probably sexually incompatible, but come to think of it, it is strange to see the races living in complete isolation from each other.

    As for cultural enrichment, I have no idea what you even refer to.

    You will have to do some serious mental gymnastics to pull something out of this game that offends your 18th-century politics.
     
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  6. Baleur

    Baleur Phantasmal Quasar

    He/she is one of those people who can't handle any other viewpoint, politically or socially, than their own imagined divinely "correct" viewpoint.
    If anyone challenges it, he/she breaks down due to having spent so much energy and time identifying him/herself with that viewpoint, to the point of not having any unique individualism left anymore.
    Not to mention no longer having any individual thought left him/herself either, despite living in a fantasy of the self-delusional idea that he/she is THE one individual on the planet who knows something nobody else knows.
    It's a bit sad, it's one of those paradoxes, becoming yourself the very thing you despise, and not even noticing it.

    I know the thread starters type of character, precisely.
     
  7. Ellthan

    Ellthan Big Damn Hero

    Look at this.
    You buy a game to play and enjoy that is still in alpha it and you wonder about it's political side.
    What has the gaming community devolved to?
    Why can't people just enjoy a freaking game, for being a freaking game and nothing else?
     
  8. QShadow

    QShadow Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    The only political encounter I had with starbound is when the Apex guards always scream " All hail Big Ape!" into my face ;P
     
  9. psymaster

    psymaster Aquatic Astronaut

    This is either a troll or someone asking because their kid wants the game and they want to make sure the "liberal agenda" doesn't permeate it.

    I'm actually surprised people responding aren't realizing this as it's quite obvious. Also responding with hate and ignorance doesn't help, it only shows you share the same nature as the OP and are no better (only choosing a different target). Why don't we welcome OP into our community and show them that maybe progressive ideas of equality and tolerance aren't so bad (they worked for Jesus after all)
     
  10. WyldeFyres

    WyldeFyres Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    As far as I'm concerned, whether or not you agree with him is irrelevent. He never stated his opinions as fact, and he never really stated his opinions in the first place, so he hasn't insulted or flamed anyone so everyone should just chill out, if you can't or won't answer his question then just move on or there's going to be a lot of flaming in here.

    As for politics within races, there are the politics of the race's society and of their own lore that they are given from the start.

    Human Society is destroyed, but only had a presence in space in the form of the Human military, now defunct.
    Human PCs are run of the mill civilians, they don't seem to have many political opinions one way or the other and they don't have a great understanding of other races.

    Apex Society is 1984-esque, and similar to the USSR but even more controlling.
    Apex PCs are part of a rebel cell that was found out, and you are the only surviving member that escaped, hoping to one day overthrow the Apex government and free your people.

    Avian Society is extremely religious, believing in ritualistic suicide and sacrifice, they are also xenophobic.
    Avian PCs are atheists and outcasts from their society. Avian settlements of the "Grounded" (other atheistic avians) seem to shun the old avian religion so much that believers of their old religion may be executed.

    Floran Society are tribal and savage, mostly just looking for something to kill and eat.
    Floran PCs are those that have grown tired of this, and have left in order to find a better hunt, some friends, and generally still try to stab things.

    Hylotl Society is based on feudal Japan, but is mostly vegetarian and peace-loving, although their homeworld was recently attacked by Florans.
    Hylotl PCs are missionaries sent to spread ideals of peace, art, and their own culture.

    Glitch Society is based on medieval europe, similar ideals.
    Glitch PCs have broken away from the "hivemind" of their society and have been forced to escape otherwise they will be killed.

    Keep in mind you can play your character however you want, but the lore for each race is set up this way.
     
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  11. InstaPwn

    InstaPwn Intergalactic Tourist

    I don't know if this is necessarily relevant to this discussion but i thought I would add it anyway. I find it rather relieiving to see a game that offers the reality of race and choice. I have noticed that there are certain traits within each species that is relevant in our society today. I am extremely comfortable accepting the game for what it is. You can choose to accept your race, or murder them based on your interactions with them. Not only that but each race tends to have their own opinion, which is relevant in our culture today. There are even those within each race that dont necessarily give the same vibe that the rest portray.

    Kudos to the developers for being able to bridge a gap that has long existed in our society without fear of the reprocussions.
     
  12. slatwob

    slatwob Big Damn Hero

    The moment I started the game It automatically signed me up as a member of the NRA and I am now legally obligated to vote republican in the next 3 elections.

    also I think I now own 15 acres of land in Alabama .
     
  13. XaoG

    XaoG Ketchup Robot

    I don't understand where people get this idea that having a game make you think about something is a bad thing.

    I also don't understand how people can make a thread like this and not expect to get flamed. You do realize this is 2013, right?
     
  14. Battybattybats

    Battybattybats Poptop Tamer

    I agree with you that we should respond to his questions calmly and reasonably. However saying that he hasn't insulted anyone will be a matter of interpretation as the raising of the question as to whether there is miscegenation in the game may be tacitly insulting to many.

    In fact technically the recently discovered presence of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in significant amounts of humanity means the only people who are reliably able to presume they are not mixed-race in reality are likely people whose entire bloodlines since the beginning of humanity never left Africa, and even that may yet be found to include ancient hominid mixtures. Which means many of the people who've been insisting on racial 'purity' over the last couple centuries are the result of not just mixed-race but mixed species breeding. And based on the now demonstrated reality that much of humanity have been the products of cross-species hybridisation of different hominids, added to the fact that viral infections sometimes include DNA transferral meaning every person is part Virus DNA too (and that's before we even get to the reality of massive essential symbiotic bacterial colonies in our bodies making us about half-bacteria) we are left with the consequence of miscegenation losing any real meaning at all. And it increases the range of people who might potentially find the OPs question insulting from those oppressed with laws on the subject in recent generations history to.. all sentient life on the planet.

    Also while the OP has not overtly clarified their opinions their post does rather strongly imply them, which may or may not be accurate but will elicit responses that are valid reactions (emotionally and rationally) to those implications.
     
  15. Zoophilian

    Zoophilian Big Damn Hero

    Hehe.. Politically neutral that made me smile, I needed a smile today, Thank you good sir.
     
  16. Loksoral

    Loksoral Void-Bound Voyager

    Oh boy, this will stay civil.

    And to answer your question: Starbound contains multiple races, all of which likely have their yet unexplained political system. I don't see any real-life politics in the game yet.

    Edit: The OP has not replied to their own thread since they posted it, which leads me to believe the entire purpose was to actually start a flame war.
     
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  17. Fiben Bolger

    Fiben Bolger Pangalactic Porcupine

    I do have to give the OP credit for one thing: He gave me the idea to work miscegenation into my character's back story.

    Fiben's deep seated crazy monkey love for ALLs the ladies made him resistant to brainwashing. He especially likes Florans because they're so . . . intense. And are a source of a nice snack after the boinkie boinkie.
     
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  18. cyberspyXD

    cyberspyXD Tiy's Beard

    The way you worded all of this was horrible.
     
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  19. AxeVantus

    AxeVantus Aquatic Astronaut

    Marxist lessons? What the hell?
     
  20. Juice Box

    Juice Box Pangalactic Porcupine

    Juice Box leans to reasonably politically neutral, with some exceptionally small exceptions. (*exceptionally small exceptions*?)
     
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