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Feedback Hylotl Helmets...

Discussion in 'Starbound Discussion' started by BloodyMonarch, Jul 14, 2016.

  1. BloodyMonarch

    BloodyMonarch Astral Cartographer

    This is pretty short and to the point: Why does the racial armor for the Hylotl actively work against Hylotl physiology? Their helmets cover up their third eye! None of the other races have this sort of thing going on with their racial armor.

    What gives? This seems like the sort of thing that should have been noticed before 1.0.

    If you stick to the racial specific armor only, you are stuck with helmets that cover your third eye for most of the game. Which is odd, because it's the primary unique feature to the race.
     
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  2. lazarus78

    lazarus78 The Waste of Time

    Only like 3 sets actually cover up the third eye.

    Likely answer is because they designed cool armors and assigned them to the hylotl as their race armor, not really the other way around.
     
  3. ladyKAE

    ladyKAE Tentacle Wrangler

    110% Hylotl helmets should accentuate their highly regarded third eye! I would love to see this changed before the full release.
     
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  4. lazarus78

    lazarus78 The Waste of Time

    http://starbounder.org/Puddle_Hat
    http://starbounder.org/Pond_Helm
    http://starbounder.org/Lake_Helm
    http://starbounder.org/Sea_Hat
    http://starbounder.org/Ocean_Helm
    http://starbounder.org/Euphotic_Helm
    http://starbounder.org/Aphotic_Fin

    7/10 helmets are "3rd eye friendly". They should accentuate the third eye because it is just another eye to them. That would be like humans accentuating one eye because we have 2 instead of one.
     
  5. BloodyMonarch

    BloodyMonarch Astral Cartographer

    All the other races have two eyes. The Floran leaves are similar to how the Hylotl fins look. The third eye is pretty much the only thing making a Hylotl a Hylotl. There's really no reason to cover up their only distinctive feature at any time.

    The puddle and lake helm cover it up.
     
  6. lazarus78

    lazarus78 The Waste of Time

    As mentioned above, only 3 helmets cover it up. There is no logical reason to accentuate the 3rd eye.
     
  7. BloodyMonarch

    BloodyMonarch Astral Cartographer

    You have two eyes. As an armor smith making helmets for melee and ranged combat, you would design a helmet that completely covered up one of your eyes? I have never seen such a helmet among the many historical battle helmets I've seen. I've seen a lot.

    At no point in combat would it be preferable to see less of your surroundings.

    Covering the eye is illogical.

    Edit: Oh, and the river set covers the eye up as well.

    http://starbounder.org/River_Set

    For a total of four helmets working against the race they are specific to.
     
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  8. lazarus78

    lazarus78 The Waste of Time

    Regardless, don't expect the armors to change. If the devs cared, they would have made the change during one of the many alterations they have done to them since they created them.
     
  9. Another Kevin

    Another Kevin Phantasmal Quasar

    I hope that invisible clothes (similar to terraria's familiar set) are included in 1.0 so that i can get rid of helmets and all the issues that they include.
     
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  10. ladyKAE

    ladyKAE Tentacle Wrangler

    The most important thing to a Hylotl is their third eye. They like to show it off, as indicated by their furniture and codexes. It is the greatest part of their culture, seeing as that third eye is supposedly what gives them their "greater perspective." It's a small change, and I don't think it's too much to ask considering the character of the race. But there's no need to argue back and forth, is there? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    EDIT: I would like to add that I'm not expecting to see it change before release, but I would be happy to see it there if they did decide to work on it.
     
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  11. BloodyMonarch

    BloodyMonarch Astral Cartographer

    Yep. It's pretty much THE thing that makes the race. It's so odd that they would cover it up for the majority of the time you play as Hylotl.
     
  12. lazarus78

    lazarus78 The Waste of Time

    To protect it. Simple as that. Come to think of it, all the open-faced helmets have the eye covered while the closed ones have it visible.
     
  13. Ludovic

    Ludovic Giant Laser Beams

    You know, thinking about it, it could be that they cover it up BECAUSE it is important for them.

    I.e.: not wanting that particular eye which may be sacred to them to be nixed by accident in battle. Meanwhile two eyes is still enough for depth perception and such.

    That could be why the fully closed helmets do not mind as much displaying it, because then it already is protected anyway.
     
  14. BloodyMonarch

    BloodyMonarch Astral Cartographer

    Let's copy paste since I already covered this argument before you even made it:

    At no point in combat would it be preferable to see less of your surroundings.

    Covering the eye is illogical.

    Especially underwater, that third eye being able to see more above you would be great.
     
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  15. Ludovic

    Ludovic Giant Laser Beams

    Thing is.... sometimes it is.
    Medieval full faced helmet weren't known for superb visibility, really. But sometimes, losing some visibility was better than risking half of your face being caved off by a blade slash or bruising blow from a mace.
     
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  16. lazarus78

    lazarus78 The Waste of Time

    The helmets of underwater capable suits do show the third eye. Those that don't you could assume have some other informational input such as the impervium tier armor, the eyes look like they could be holographic in nature.

    And as mentioned, most historical helmets made for heavy combat did indeed impare vision. More vision is preferable, but they didn't have access to things like Plexiglas and ballistic lenses back then, so loss of visibility was acceptable.
     
  17. BloodyMonarch

    BloodyMonarch Astral Cartographer

    The key difference is that those helmets still allowed all your eyes to see regardless of the restricted vision. The helmets we're talking about fully cover the eye. If you can point to a historical helmet that blinded one of your eyes completely in exchange for more protection, please go ahead.
     
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  18. lazarus78

    lazarus78 The Waste of Time

    Losing one eye, you still have 2 left over which is plenty for depth perception and general combat.
     
  19. BloodyMonarch

    BloodyMonarch Astral Cartographer

    The sad thing about this is, it's not even difficult to come up with asian style helmets that involve three eyes. Especially red ones.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/36/45/21/36452187700b2872bdbbeb55d395be98.jpg

    OR, take your standard Kabuto mask and instead of a crest have a hole for the middle eye like this:

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    And give up superior visibility in the depths of oceans why? Think of aerial combat. It's always best if you can attack from above the enemy plane. The ocean would be similar to the skies when fighting at the bottom of it. Having an eye that can see more above you would be great.
     
  20. Another Kevin

    Another Kevin Phantasmal Quasar

    This may be something to accept from our point of view. We have two eyes and they have three, covering one leaves them with two, which is still fine for us. But from their point of view, a covered third eye might just be a critical disadvantage for them because they are too used to three-eyed vision.
     
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