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How many planets?

Discussion in 'Starbound Discussion' started by Neroid, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. Regal Kain

    Regal Kain Space Kumquat

    Another reason I'm a bit "worried" if it does indeed work the way you think it will. Is because then it will seem a bit..."cheap" I guess? In the sense of "Planet X has a ton of good loot on it, it has this gun over here that has these stats etc" admittedly that depends on whether or not loot is randomly generated in chests, or if it will always spawn a level 30 gun so on and so forth. We'll see I suppose.
     
  2. Mokunen

    Mokunen Void-Bound Voyager

    I think loot will be generated separately from the planet itself, for the same reasons you exposit. It would make the whole procedural generation of weapons moot otherwise.
    Also, I don't think it will be too hard to keep planets balanced. You know the planned tier system, right? Well, how complicated could it be to simply give each "ore" or otherwise valuable and rare material a numerical "value" of sorts depending on its in-game utility, and tell the procedural generator, "Tier X planets can't have more than Y value per Z area"? Then you could have Tier 1 planets with lots of coal, and others with very tiny bits of gold. Advancing through the tiers, you have tier 10 planets full of gold. (Note, gold is just an example. There are more valuable things.)
     
  3. Giant Squid

    Giant Squid Zero Gravity Genie

    I'm almost positive that chests and other loot will be independent from the planet generator.
     
  4. RedDire

    RedDire Cosmic Narwhal

    I'm almost 100% sure loot is randomly generated.
     
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  5. Neroid

    Neroid Starship Captain

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    Wrote this in another thread:

    "Currently, we're using a 64-bit seed. However, we're also going to add metadata (such as world size, resident race, planet level, etc) and checksumming to that number, so it will probably wind up being around 80 maybe? maybe more? bits long by the time we're done.

    So the answer is probably more than 18 quintillion worlds. Perhaps way more."

    Pretty nice!
     
  6. Soup

    Soup Giant Laser Beams

    So if I understand correctly you're advocating procedurally generated planets with randomly generated life forms and resources. I think it's pretty unlikely given what we know so far since those are pretty large changes to the planet. The way you explain it does sound feasible, though I don't think it will be necessary. There will be so many planets to explore that whatever your random generation system would come up with probably does exist in Starbound's universe somewhere, you just have to go find it.
     
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  7. Adam #

    Adam # Big Damn Hero

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    Yes.
     
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  8. Regal Kain

    Regal Kain Space Kumquat

    That's how my mind was running through it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there won't be more then enough to explore, I'm sure there will be. I just prefer there to be some randomness and chaos to everything, this way a world isn't always the same every single time you visit it, ever. Which is how it's shaping up to be. And depending on how your start is determined, this may make, making a new character a drearier experience if each race only has a single starting planet. (Or even if they only have 1-3 starting planets) it'd make the game feel stale with a new character. But that's my opinion of course. Eithier way I'll enjoy the game mind you.
     
  9. Alanzer-DNA

    Alanzer-DNA Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    Whoa... Take that... Right in the universe.
     
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  10. Rtyh-12

    Rtyh-12 Master Chief

    In theory, is it possible to get two planets that are exactly the same, including any settlements, terrain features, composition, monsters, loot, etc.? What about solar systems? What about sectors? Just out of curiosity.
     
  11. Serris

    Serris Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    we do know. the galaxy is procedurally generated. this means there are a near infinite amount of planets. the only limitation is the size of the seed. and this size is most likely capped because of the limitations of computers.
    when you look at the image, you see the coordinates 4865.6, 7127.6 and 2357.1: this is the coordinate of the gas giant.
    what this means is that the current selected planet is at these coordinates. when you look at the screen where the moon is selected, only 1 of the coordinates changes, 2357.1 became 2357.3.
    so we have 9999.9 * 9999.9 * 9999.9 = 999,970,000,299.999 combinations if you can only enter 4 digits before the decimal and 1 after the decimal.

    now not every one of those coordinates will contain a planet, but imagine only 1% does. that means there are still
    9,999,700,002.99999 planets out there. so even if only a very tiny of coordinates has a planet, that still means 10 BILLION planets with only 5 digits to enter for each coordinate.
     
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  12. Anris

    Anris Phantasmal Quasar

    There's always a possibility, it's just about whether it can occur in your lifetime.
     
  13. Delirium

    Delirium Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    Seeing as every world is randomly generated I believe there is always the smallest possiblity that two are identical, but good luck finding them :p.
    The same could be said for the systems and sectors.
     
  14. Anris

    Anris Phantasmal Quasar

    So many numbers and calculations, it makes my head hurt.
    Are you HAL by any chance?
     
  15. Alanzer-DNA

    Alanzer-DNA Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    As Buttcakes said in the previous page... Let's just stop hurting our brains with this :rofl:
     
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  16. Serris

    Serris Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    they're not random, they're procedural. that means no 2 planets will ever be exactly the same, unless you play on 2 different computers and enter the same coordinates :)
     
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  17. MagikPigon

    MagikPigon Subatomic Cosmonaut

    From what I've read, everything is procedurally generated. NPCs, Weapons, Terrain, Weather, Monsters, Solar Systems, Armour, Flora and whatever else there is that I didn't think of. So I doubt that we are going to run out of worlds to explore and enemies to fight.

    Not to mention the story and the large multitude of quests.
     
  18. Vizendel

    Vizendel Pangalactic Porcupine

    I believe the story is optional, as is popular in most sandbox RPG's.
     
  19. MagikPigon

    MagikPigon Subatomic Cosmonaut

    It had better be or I'll... I'll... play it anyway 'cause Starbound is awesome.
     
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  20. Vizendel

    Vizendel Pangalactic Porcupine

    Don't be too hasty, we can't be a hundred percent sure of that.

    Just ninety nine.
     
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