Derailed thread

I didn't even notice this thread until i was "summoned" here by Akado

"Why on earth is a mod in my vanilla experience?"
Because chucklefish thought it would be a cool to include it. I simply post my updates as if they were mod content like everybody else, expect it to live by it's own merits, and heck, if CF want to include any updates then I am happy to let them use them.

"Why are you updating skyrails rather than ChuckleFish? Why is it not their job? etc etc"
I'm updating it because it is my mod and I know I can still improve it & take it further. CF aren't updating it because the releases I put out are stable. The changes I make are additive or address low priority balance/QoL issues. CF has plenty to to build in their own game instead of improving content that they hadn't foreseen - especially when the original mod author is still active and doing exactly that already!

"Why did you fix the vertical descent thing?"
It was a side-effect of limitations of the way i had programmed rail attachment. V2.0 overhauled all that to make everything behave far more sensibly. You didn't lose a feature when the update came out - you lost a bug. Besides, vertical descent travel is redundant (gravity does that job well enough) - vertical ascent on the other hand is a different beast which V1.0 couldn't help you with anyway & V2.1 (a version released today as a mod) does a much better job with.

"So will you make elevators / vertical rails?"
I have addressed this before, but the tldr version is: Possibly, but it would require another overhaul. I have a new object type planned which might open the gates for some kind of off-rail vertical travel system in the future - but that is still very much on paper and untested! This mod was originally planned with horizontal travel and trains etc - I don't want to stray to far from my initial goals.

 

Dude, the devs have to do a LOT of stuff, having a willing mod author to create more content for something he originally made is not a bad thing. The coding and stuff was all (as far as I know) done by him. The devs might not even have looked into it deeply. It is much more convenient for Apjjm to work on something he made.

 

again, CF saw fit to include. it's their own fault.

sorry, you've just rehashed my opposition, you did not address the things i selfquoted above.

 

Ultimately if they take a mod and implement it: It is no longer your mod. It is an accepted addition.

Its a set of instructions which are part of the main game. Something they ultimately do have to deal with from that point on. Now it is true they can ignore that and expect the mod creator to continue to work on and simply update the work... or not if they choose -but-.. If a fault in the /main game/ arises from how they have implemented? That or something doesn't work well in that mod? It /isn't/ out of place for people to expect them to fix it and not the original author. The mod makers can't get at the code after all and again ultimately they (Chucklefish) have final say.

So petitions to the developers for added mods to be tweaked, or anything involving them being altered.. or improved.. aren't at all unreasonable. They are now part and parcel of the game.

Edit:Also at the rate they are adding mods, new people are not going to be able to tell what was, and wasn't originaly a mod at one time. Its unreasonable to expect them to address complaints, suggestions, ect to mod authors if something is in the game when they downloaded and NOT a mod added.

 

I guess i missed stuff when i scanned over the thread:

Ethics:
I make the mods for free by my own choosing. I can chose at any point to stop making updates or mods (though i don't plan to do so in the near future at least!). There is no ethical concern.

Vanilla vs Vanilla mod:
This is a needless distinction outside of CF crediting mod authors for their work. Everything in the main game is vanilla. Hence...

Responsibility:
When CF added the mod to the game, they are, at their discretion free to do what they like with the mod. They are obviously responsible for the content in their own game. Having said that, my mod is stable, so they have had zero reasons to fix it. Likewise, just because they haven't implemented x feature in the mod, it doesn't mean they can't do so. There is no obligation on CFs part to use any of my updates, just as there is no obligation for me to continue making them. There is no reliance on me the author, it just so happens that the update I produced was stable and better than the predecessor, so CF wanted to use it.

Therefore: You don't have to contact the mod author to get a change in the vanilla game. The mod author cannot even guarantee that any update will get into the game. People just suggest you should try that avenue as well, as currently said mod author is actively updating the mod and seeking constructive feedback.

Finally, regarding the whole "feature" changing between versions: This is still a beta game. Stuff can change in betas just as it can change in mods - As tired as this point is from being trotted out it is still true. You should be aware that functionality can change, especially when said "functionality" was clearly not intended behavior.

That's my viewpoint on the matter. I apologize if this comes across as a little curt, i'm just trying to be precise.

 

no, not curt. as the only mod author (that i know of) who's had stuff implemented into vanilla, your perspective is welcome.

ethics: no, those are not the ethical issues i had in mind. no, i'll not be more specific, as i mentioned, i am very weary of people questioning my right to raise these issues at all.

vanilla vs vanilla mod: you are visibly credited where? i am curious, as i have not seen any credits at all, aside from the dubious application of the "team" page as credits of a sort. regardless, the website does not come in the game installation, nor is it ingame.

responsibility: ah, so you agree with me. i think what many of my opponents have missed is that i am opposed to the idea CF has no responsibility to do anything at all concerning addressing issues with included mods. they are responsible for what they ship, simple as that.

feature changes: i do not think it is as "clearly" not intended as you assume. after all, you included straight up and down rail tiles, yes?

 

Re: Credit - They linked to the mod page and stated my name in the update notes - which is fine by me honestly.
Re ethics: Fair enough.
Re feature changes: The issue I was referencing was placing a bunch of horizontal rails directly on-top of one-another and riding into them while holding down - In V1 this would cause the player to rapidly zip to the bottom of the rails iirc (I know this was a bug in one of the versions). I have not included any actual vertical rail tiles in any version on the grounds that the script simply cannot support it without another overhaul.

 

you can go. you have not been able to understand what i am insinuating. i'm sure if you really wanted to know bad enough, you can check my post history for me defending my right to ask certain questions. if not, oh well.

 

Err, i saw people saying you were wrong, not that you couldn't talk...

 

you're twisting things. i havent been using it as support for my point, ive been asking you if you see the same ones i do.

you said no, after first missing the key word "ethical". that's that.

 

which is why i didnt type that. twisting by omission.

just drop it. you arnt going to provoke me into blurting it out. i asked a question, you eventually answered. the end.

 

"Clearly" and "certainly" are synonyms in this case.

 

not what i was calling him out on. he turned my question into a statement.

 

Thread is closed. This is going nowhere. Not that it was ever going anywhere.