Clone Issues

And we STILL have no evidence that this was ever said by any dev at all.

 

Shoosh
'Tis in the list of announced gameplay features.

 

no, it does not
he thinks he never died. In fact, from the clone's perspective, he thinks he just backed up a clone copy and is now ready to go out to adventure.

 

Perhaps, it could work through "brain scanning" It copies your memories and the like every time you possibly update your clone, and when you die a fee is deducted from your GALACTIC BANK ACCOUNT or something. So then the clone would still be "you" just from a past mental state.

 

thats one thing. the clone, being a perfect clone, will think he is the original for all matters.
what the OP is trying to ponit out is on a much more spiritual level that is actually very hard to understand.
of course the chemical reaction in the brain will be the same, but something will be different.

here's an (hopefully) enlightening example.
Lets say we take you for this demonstration. You are who you are, your brain move your body and make you think and like what you like. you're yourself.
Now lets say you were cloned. He is just like you. He think like you, act like you, he is, metaphorically speaking, you.
But you are not controlling his movement. You both move and think independantly from each other. You cant read is mind much less influence is action without interacting with him.
Human, over the ages, have called this the "soul", the "conscience", the "spirit within". Both you and your clone have a different "soul" because you arent able to control his body like you would with yours.
If you were cloned without knowing it. Both of you will live theire life according to the same memories believing they are the original. If one die, the other will simply continue on in life unchanged, you and him both indisociable from each other.
But if you die, the original. Your soul, Your spirit or whatever you want to call it, is lost. your clone will keep on living unchanged. He might even reject the possibility that he is a clone just like you might reject the possibility that YOU were the clone.
But in the end. You are dead. You wont come back. Your brain is finished. Your "soul" is gone.

And that's the OPs worry, that our character stays the same. The original.

All in all, this is a very complexe topic that is at the very heart of who, and what we are as human being and as such, many fiction work and games will simply discard it.

 

The alternative, as mentioned by others previously is that some sort of emergency extraction teleport could trigger when you suffer critical damage (i.e. you run out of health), and then the penalty for dying, if there is to be one, would be the costs of healing your injuries and restoring your body (it'd cost time, if nothing else, although how that could be represented in game mechanics is unclear). That combines the best of both worlds, with penalties for dying whilst still retaining your character and avoiding the moral conundrums that accompany cloning.

 

Did you read what I posted? Yes...From the clone's perspective, he thinks nothing has changed. However from the perspective of the person who died...he's gone. dead. Even from a completely non-soul perspective that individual is gone and there is simply a copy of him alive somewhere else.

If a person has a soul, that consciousness could disperse and re-join the new body. Then it could be the same individual, not merely a copy.

 

I think this pretty much sums it up! And rather brilliantly at that, very good job.
I guess it is a hard topic to understand without the belief of a soul or anything spiritual though.
Thank you!

 

Here's an idea, its a bit of a long shot but...

we could just say "its a sci-fi game" and say that the conscience moves to the new body.

 

And again, this whole example was based around the premise that memories and acquired experience do get carried along neuronal patterns during the cloning process.
For all we know, true cloning might actually creates an intellectual blank slate with only genetic memories/instincts being left thereby making the clone pretty much a empty husk.

personally, ill just say that the cloning solution is the easy way out. "oh i died ? its ok, i went to clone-mart this morning just in case"

 

They could frame it like they do with the cylons in battlestar. Their minds are connected to a sort of wifi network, and if they die, their consciousness is pulled back to the central mainframe, then ported into a waiting copy. Of course, the cylons are robots (or maybe androids) but, whatevs.

"Consciousness". The sum of all of the mental processes (software) running in the brain and nervous system (hardware) at a given time. Without the brain, the consciousness is lost.

 

Technically true cloning creates a unique individual, as cloning isnt "poof! creature!" but growing a creature at a massively accelerated pace using genetic data from a sample subject.
meaning that basically it would be a fully grown human with no knowledge whatsoever.

of course may want to stick away from that seeing as how growing a living creature and then killing it for the purposes of implanting the "mind" of it's original pushes modern day ethics a bit more then simple sci-fi cloning.

 

Hahah, I hadn't thought of that. Alright then, I say we stick to the cylon-wifi thing.

 

I looked, and I didn't see it there.

 

I SWEAR IT IS.
I know I saw it somewhere official, can't remember where though.

 

I'm just asking this because I genuinely don't know, not to like, dev-smash call you out or anything.

It is? Do you have a source?

 

I've never had a Dev reply to me
BUT AS WITH EVERYONE ASKING ME. It may have been removed, I absolutely SWEAR it was on the Announced features. If not then hey this turned out to be a cool debate of the issues with cloning heheh... *bad smile*

 

yeah really, really awesome

 

I thought it was not a bad discussion, I got to geek out about Star Trek, which is really all I wanted to do...
And we discussed the soulishness of humanity, good times, good times.

 

Not gonna lie, I was reading through the posts all serious like then I broke at that post.