Cheating Concerns - Any way to combat it?

I hope it ends up like Minecraft where certain commands can be locked out unless you're named an OP. Also, server side characters would definitely be a must otherwise they'd just save edit in single player and bring the character over to the server. Also, these anti-cheating settings should be able to be toggled off for people who just don't care.

 

I think you mean toggled on for people who do care

 

that means this concern is probably one of the most important ones currently

 

it isn't a valid issue.

#1: it isn't chucklefish's job to moderate players
#2: it isn't chucklefish's job to moderate your server
#3: if someone is cheating, just ban them from your server and problem solved

 

This is so ridiculous, and is blatantly untrue. Cheaters do not represent themselves as cheaters, thus it isn't as easy as , "get non-cheating friends" , etc . . . Not everyone has the time necessary to truly get a few people together that are both trust worthy and want to play the game a certain way. There's absolutely no reason to not give servers as much control as possible so that everyone, not just the cheaters, can play how they want. Saying, "that's just the way it is" is taking the passive route, there's always room for improvement and we as a community should push for that instead of being so jaded and complacent.

 

I don't think you guys that are for pointless anti-cheating measures know what mods can do. The game is pro mods and therefore pointless to try to stop cheating because a mod isn't cheating, whether it gives you infinite pixels or not. it's still just a mod which is allowed. Anti-griefing, on the other hand, is a totally legit request.

You play the way you want solo, or you play the way you want based on whether the server rules apply to your idea of a fun experience.

 

No , we're for giving server hosts relevancy and power, disallowing players with certain mods from joining said server. If a player wants to play a certain way, by all means, but they shouldn't bring their mods to another server if the people on the other server don't want those mods. Therefore, there should be a way to allow server hosts the ability to prevent certain playing styles from disrupting their server. Someone should be able to have a public server that's protected and open, because those two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

the way these complaints on cheating is going an anti cheat system is going to have to be designed into this game like it or not, check out my thread, i talk about an anti cheat system to make both sides of the crowd happy http://community.playstarbound.com/...to-make-starbound-a-more-complete-game.45310/

 

Servers SHOULD have a ton of control and that's not what I was arguing. I was saying some VAC ban-esque type anti-cheating tool is pointless.

and how exactly would they go about disallowing a certain mod? A simple change would make it no longer the same mod. It's for the same reason all other similar games don't have such measures.

 

You could ban any modifications except whichever ones you choose. Only specific mods are allowed, any changes or variation and it wouldn't be. Something like that is certainly feasible.

 

Uh, yes it will. That's the whole point of character files being saved on a remote server - they are not able to be modified by the user.

To the OP - stop trying to tell others how to enjoy video games.

 

yea, and then someone wouldn't be allowed to join just because they have an obscure mod that changes their font or whatever.

Server admins should have ways of banning who they want based on detecting suspicious actions or really whatever reason they want, but that's because they own the server and should be allowed to do with it as they want. An all-powerful anti-cheat system, however, is not this.

 

except that's false. any real developer who actually cares about their product, won't stoop to vocal whining from people who want everything spoonfed to them.

 

lol your comment made me laugh like crazy, do you not know what server side means? lol it means server side... im guessing you dont know much on this topic but if something is server side you cant use a memory editor to change the values because its literally not there... you would only change what you see but the server will still have the real values and not change anything

 

besides, all I've seen so far are hypothetical whatifs.

 

do you personally know the developers and have confirmation that they are on a crusade to make a game only they want? if not its only logical to make a game the masses want. why else do you think we have these forums?

 

All this boils down to is needing way more freedom/control as a server admin, which will come in time as more support and mods are added to the game that only limit how someone plays on a server to server basis.

Currently, if you're on a server where something is happening that you don't like and you and the admin differ on how you'd handle it, you either suck it up or find a server that fits your style of play.

 

anyone with even the most basic internet experience knows how these things work.

you people complain "we need anti-cheat!"
it gets added, and the inevitable problems that all anti-cheats create arrive.
forums are spammed again with people complaining about the anti-cheat.

it's a vicious cycle, and it kills games.

 

you got it backwards, cheating is what ruins games. speaking as a minecraft server admin i understand this better than you... this doesn't just go for minecraft either can you imagine what it would be like if people in sc2 could cheat, or world of warcraft or even diablo or planet side or league of legends? and no i did not list only competitive games, diablo is highly pve, once you cheat in a game all difficulty the game was designed to simulate gets removed.... its fun at first but the feeling of being rewarded goes away and once that happens the desire to play is gone, the brain actually is driven by a reward system, its what gives a game longevity for example when you search the world and find a rare weapon Dopamine receptors are stimulated in the brain which makes you feel good and want to continue but when you can give yourself anything you wish your brain becomes desensitized and the rewarding feeling is no longer received in the brain, once the brain no longer feels rewarded from doing something you no longer wish to do it and as a result you stop, Why would the developers of Starbound wish for its player base to be so short lived by allowing such hacks and resulting in such a short lived game?

 

Minecraft is hardly ruined. Anyway, something can matter greatly to someone when it shouldn't, like other people's success, for example. doesn't mean the feeling is justified/rational.

I'm sure you'll be fine. and sure enough there will be modder versions of you that'll make you very happy with a billion server mods.