Cash Shop?

Discussion in 'Other' started by ZeroFiveNosh, Sep 30, 2013.

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  1. ZeroFiveNosh

    ZeroFiveNosh Void-Bound Voyager

    You can make a Cash shop and make special content that can be brough at a reasonable price. Lots of games do it now and it could be a way to help further the development of the game.

    Like special effects on weapon swing, or like "vanity" that makes you character looks like he glowing with radiation or something.
     
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  3. Evangelion

    Evangelion Supernova

    Hells to the no.
     
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  4. Jonesy

    Jonesy Sarif's Attack Kangaroo Forum Moderator



    You actually want this to be added? I can assure you, most people don't want microtransactions, if not hate the concept outright. That includes the devs, who have explicitly said they will not be included.
     
  5. J-block

    J-block Pay it Forward

    This has already been confirmed to not be in the game anyways, so no.
    Also, No from me because god that's a fucking awful idea.
     
  6. 60and80

    60and80 Star Wrangler

    Get out.
     
  7. Gene

    Gene Phantasmal Quasar

    While you may get a lot of hate on this subject, I'll try to rationally explain why microtransaction are a bad idea.
    1. Microtransactions are akin to cheating. They allow you to increase your power beyond that designed by the game balance and mechanics. Furthermore, being a single player game, if someone wants to cheat, they can do so for free by using a cheat tool such as Cheat Engine or Art Money, so there is no reason for them to pay for something they can get for free anyways.
    2. Microtransactions give players a persistent feel of being nickled-and-dimed, and not getting full value for their original purchase.
    3. (worst of all) Microtransactions, and games based around selling them (e.g. a "Free 2 Play" game) give the developers an incentive to unbalance the game in such a way that you are at a disadvantage if you don't buy them. So those players who think that microtransactions are cheating, and want to stay away from them, will have to suffer an artificially unbalanced game in order to appease those who do buy them. That's why "Free 2 Play" games are also often know as "Pay 2 Win" games.
    Microtransactions are most popular in "casual" games, often targeted at children and non-gamer audience, who don't really understand their exploitative nature, and are sucked into paying more and more to just continue playing at a reasonable pace.

    For a more in-depth analysis of the evils of microtransactions, I strongly recommend reading some of the works of a Gamasutra analyst named Ramin Shokrizade.

    Microtransactions for strictly vanity items (which are purely visual and give no in-game advantage) may sometime be acceptable in a game which is not primarily based on wearable cosmetics, such as a first-person shooter. Examples are the gun skins sold in CS:GO or hats sold in Team Fortress. However, even those purely visual items would not be acceptable to sell using microtransactions in Starbound, because in Starbound visual and social style is a core element of what makes the game enjoyable, and simply having an item nobody else can get already gives you a kind of unfair advantage, even if the item is purely cosmetic.

    I hope this was a reasonably level-headed response to what usually is a strongly negative topic among gamer enthusiasts.

    To the rest of us: please go easy on the original poster. Perhaps he was just new to the topic and didn't realize the implications. Patient education of the public of why microtransactions are evil is much better than flaming. :)
     
  8. Jonesy

    Jonesy Sarif's Attack Kangaroo Forum Moderator

    You know what? This. I appreciate that you decided to post a reasonable argument amidst our various "GTFO" and .avi file responses.
     
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  9. Gene

    Gene Phantasmal Quasar

    I wish more people would do it (BTW feel free to copy and paste my text!) The reason the public keeps getting swindled by Pay2Win games is because they aren't informed and educated. Going all flamy makes us seem like snobs on high horses, or like those who are just too cheap to pay, and Pay2Win publishers capitalize on that idea to demonize us and promote their "games" as "free market, pay for what you want", rather than the exploitative trash it really is.

    We need to rationally tackle the problem, not appear as immature brats. :)
     
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  10. ZeroFiveNosh

    ZeroFiveNosh Void-Bound Voyager

    Wow that was fast lol I dont think Cash shops are a bad idea and its not like you "have" to buy anything there. And Cash shops and Mircotransations are completely differents.

    Cash shop is like "For 2 more dollars you can have a special cape for you action figure."

    Micro Transactions are "For 2 dollars more you can have arms on your action figure."

    I mean really? Im think Mirco are stupid to made sure xbox shut that down. But CASH SHOP AND MICRO TRANSACTIONS are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.... Let me be Mojo Jojo right now. Cash shops you are paying for extra stuff in the game you really dont need. Do you need your avatar to have smoke appear when they jump? No... Mirco is when you are paying for something that "should be in the game." Do you think you should shoud have to pay to get 3 of the 7 races? HELL NO! You should get that just from getting it. But in responds to the earily post. Or just using this game. In our Cash Shop we have a Graphic cover that makes it look like a Car ^___^. Compared to In our Cash shop we have a sword that does 2x more damage then our top tier swords in the game, 20$ please. Or for 20cent you can have extra cheese. Vs for 20cents we will put bread above and below your burger.

    Thank you Gene for giving a level head out put but, because you have to pay to even get SB its not free to play and like i said Cash Shop and Mirco not the same. Pay2Win =/= Extra Useless stuff, also the only things i see in Cash Shop that give players advantages are, mounts (to move place to place faster), and double exp (but that only shortern the gameplay or is for making secondary avatars/ accounts). Unless the game is like Leauge of Legends or GetAmped2 using real money only give you decorations that do nothing but look pretty. But thank you all the same. I want give you a fist bump bro for just being that Logically guy.

    Thank you Jonesy cuz your a supporter of the more mature group of gamer.

    For the rest:

    Its funny how when there is a suggestion box people feel the need to slam down other peoples well suggestions. its the equivalent of tell someone that thier opinion (which is dictated by you beliefs ) is wrong.

    And its awesome how some people will help support a game so that it can be developed, but somehow what to deny the creator compensation after the release of the game, if (hypothetically) the would try to make some more money off it, even if it would be to add more updates and contents to the game. There is most likely a group of people already waiting to hack this game, torrent it, and create keygens.

    Idk man >_> i looks at gamers these day and wonder why games are so bad.
     
  11. Gene

    Gene Phantasmal Quasar

    Your semantics are unlike what most other people use. "Microtransaction" is just that, "micro" and "transaction" - pay a small amount of money for a small thing. It does not imply that the item you bought gives you "mechanical" advantage as opposed to "visual" advantage. But see below for the reason while in Starbound the distinction doesn't matter anyways...

    As I mentioned before in my original reply, the nature of Starbound is that it's a highly socially interactive game, where looks and appearance are giving you advantage in and of themselves, even if they don't improve your mechanics. In Starbound, all items, even purely cosmetic ones, contribute to the feeling of the game's immersion.

    If I jump with a smoky effect, I want it to be because I drank a Smoky Potion, or slain the Smoky Dragon, not because I went to an out-of-game store and spent $2 to buy it. And I certainly don't want to be the guy who bought it, only to meet another player who got it for free after using a memory editor (because in Starbound, even in multilayer, character items are stored on your machine and not on the developer's servers).

    These types of transactions, no matter how cheap or how "insignificant" gameplay wise, just give players a feeling of poisoned joy and ruined immersion, and in my opinion completely undermines what the Starbound world is supposed to mean.

    There are many great ways to support the developers without introducing in-game microtransactions:
    • Buy a higher-tier pre-order. You already get some visual bonuses for that in terms of forum badges, but the distinction is that the bonuses you get are out-of-game as opposed to in-game, and thus don't ruin immersion.
    • Buy extra copies for your friends.
    • Directly donate through PayPal.
    • After the game's release, pay for genuine new content such as expansion packs and sequels. The content amount should be significant enough for you to feel you are getting your money's worth and not being nickled and dimed, and furthermore those who didn't buy an expansion pack should be able to play separately from those who did, to avoid giving the latter unfair multiplayer advantage.
    • Encourage developers to sell other out-of-game items for real cash, such as merchandise. I'd totally buy a Starbound T-Shirt, for example!
    However, thanks for your opinion, and I hope you enjoy the game when it comes out!
     
  12. Skudge

    Skudge Void-Bound Voyager

    Why buy novelty effects and such when they can easily be modded in?
     
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  13. J-block

    J-block Pay it Forward

    No, of course you don't HAVE to buy anything. But someone else will and that will make them "better"

    Technically you're right. The cash shop is the place where all the micro-transactions are held.

    The thing about it is that it's not a well suggestion. People are slamming it because they disagree with it. We find it to be bad and we told you that.

    Your opinion is wrong.

    You know what people used to pay for? The updates and additional content for the game. We used to call them expansion packs and they were fucking glorious. Now people are paying the same amount of money for a shiny new horse mount or a whatever the fuck you were talking about with cars.

    I too am a fan of irony.
     
  14. Facethelight

    Facethelight Existential Complex

    Listen, its late at night, and i really don't feel like blasting my head off right now, because i really want to, but im just gonna say this..
    You say that, yet aren't you the only one who thinks this is a good idea? I mean, even the fucking dev's said they hated the idea, and they're making the game!
    As gene said, buy a damn t-shirt if they make them, but don't try and ruin everyone elses experience when there are obvious other ways other than micro-shits.
    oh, and by the way, your definition of micro transactions / cash shop is wrong. Micro-transaction is any real life payment for in game content, of any kind. Cash shop is where the purchasing takes place.
    By the way, go and take all the maplestory content somewhere else, and don't tell me it wasn't from that, you nearly described it perfectly. i would know, ive been playing that game for 8 years.
    Anyways, remember, this is me NOT blowing my head off...goodnight, idiot.
    Oh, and your opinions are wrong.
     
  15. OneOnlyDan

    OneOnlyDan Cosmic Narwhal

    I am on their side, this seems dumb, really. :/
     
  16. Krogglidor

    Krogglidor Phantasmal Quasar

    Not all micro transactions give you an advantage, I have no problems with a game having a cash shop if all you can buy are vanity items or items that give no advantage. (See Team Fortress 2)

    On that note, HELL NO, no cash for the love of god!
     
  17. F-ranko

    F-ranko Heliosphere

    I read all of your posts with an optimistic attitude, trying to pick up something positive I could work around when I commented.
    Everything stopped when I read this. It just enrages me. Gamers are in no way responsible for bad games. It's the developers that decide to do bullshit things like micro-transactions, and guess what. Almost fucking nobody likes micro-transactions. Also, that example you gave, with the purchasable god sword being 2 times more powerful than anything in the entire game, that's the exact reason something like this would never work. Why would I actually work on making a PvP build when some guy just shelled out $20 for a sword that is always going to be more powerful then any I'll ever be able to get?
    Furthermore, the games that have come out recently are pretty damn good. Ever heard of The Last of Us? Borderlands 2? Dishonored? Bioshock: Infinite? These were all fantastic games that were released recent-ish. I recommend you go actually play recently released games before making a generalized statement about how good they are.
     
  18. No, this is not going to be a micro transaction game.

    And it already has been said.

    THERE WILL BE NO IN GAME PURCHASES WITH REAL MONEY....

    So, there will NOT be any cash shops. Sorry, but it is sort of a silly idea. It will make the game HORRIBLE if there are any ingame shops...
     
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  19. Jonesy

    Jonesy Sarif's Attack Kangaroo Forum Moderator

    Look, if you like microtransactions, that's fine. But you need to accept the fact that they will never be in Starbound. And blanket statements like that do nothing for your argument, and to some people will invalidate it completely. Gamers are not responsible for bad games. Bad games are the result of either bad developers or good developers who make bad decisions. In very few cases will the community ever bring this about, and if it does it will be through democratisation of the development process or actively hindering the developers.

    There are plenty of good games around these days, most of which lack cash shops. Hell, Diablo 3 removed its cash shop as an improvement.
     
  20. The Question

    The Question Ketchup Robot

    DID YOU JUST ASK FOR MICRO-TRANSACTIONS!?!?!?

     
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