Block placing feels a bit TOO fluid to me........

@This and other comments

restrictions in games exist for a reason. If overcoming obstacles is easy, or you are required to limit yourself (rather than struggling for a solution), it lessens and cheapens the achievement. Games are not about accomplishing on your terms, they are about accomplishing on their terms. Why do we have a money system? Why do we need to actually have metal bars to make goods? These restrictions are totally unnecessary. After all, if you just exercise a little self control then you wouldn't forge things until you have the materials. There is NO logical limit to the self control argument. It is entirely arbitrary.

Imagine that there was a bug where you could make any item in the game for free. The only way you could enjoy the 'progression' would be to not to utilize the bug. But absolutely NO ONE would say the bug should not be fixed simply because it doesnt matter as long as you exercise self control.

The game becomes a better game if things make sense within its systems, and if player choice is not cheapened by the existence of unsatisfying yet easier methods.

 

The only thing that needs to be changed that is related to this is being able to hit enemies through blocks. For example, if my weapon is long enough to go through a block it can still hit the enemy so you can just put up a block wall and hit the enemy with a 2-handed sword or what have you until it is dead with no danger. This should not be able to happen.

 

Well same applies here, I don't care how you play and this change affects me too and I want the placement of the blocks as it is right now. So, what we do?

 

You update whenever you want and install a mod that lets you do whatever you please. The rest do the same, without the mod part and keep helping the devs with the game balance and mechanics.

Just because you support a bad feature doesn't mean it somehow becomes acceptable to those that value proper game design.

 

I can make the distinction between this game and minecraft and I have never played terraria so, I am not trapped in some preconceived idea of how starbound should be. Do you know why this game is a terrible Terraria clone? because it is not intended to be! There's a matter manipulator, it can paint a box around monsters, deal with it. no, EMBRACE it. it's not a bug, it's not unbalanced, it's a frickin' FEATURE.

God (or whatever force of creation you chose to jive with) gives ostrich wings, ostrich says flying is OP - sticks head in sand instead.

 

As Bagel pointed out the problem isn't the smooth placement. Is the fact that you could attack throug it. So why that should change? And WHY your solution is "use a mod" for that I could say the same to you, right?
I don't see any balance problem here except for the fact that you can attack enemies behind walls.

 

You could, but it wouldn't make as much sense since i support the objectively better idea. If you want a game to not have its AI be able to jump and get exploited for example and i want the opposite, clearly your point of view would be wrong.

Admittedly it would mean it's not fun for you, but then again you have a perfect amount of freedom to make it fun. Get it?

 

Hmm, I felt like the painty feel was more due to the lack of feedback in the current version. As in, block placing doesn't make the "chunk chunk" sound that single block placing in some building games has, nor does it have any effects (particles, whatever). Due to that it feels less like placing something and more like painting on the screen. Of course, polish like that is something for the later betas if it's planned, so we'll see.

By the way, I don't regard it to be necessarily bad as it is right now. Maybe it's meant to be sci-fi and feel like you're painting the world. Just that feedback is always nice, and if they have something planned for that it'd be cool.

 

I've never said that I want some AI that isn't able to jump those things. My point is that I don't see any balance issue with the block placement.
If the AI isn't on par maybe is the AI the problem, all together with the weapons going through walls.

 

Hmm I never thought about this tiny detail until you mentioned it. I do hope they add this. Additionally they could add the little particle effect of each block clicking in place. Like a little dirt cloud or dirt pieces fly off when placing a dirt block and so on for the other types of blocksnd objects.

 

Yes, i suppose I didn't consider audible feedback.

Still, the distance at which you can place blocks is huge! This does give you an element of freedom not available in the likes of Minecraft and Terraria.

Edge of Space has a particularly long range as well, and that has a similar 'painting' feel

 

Here is the problem. No one is saying that the feature shouldn't be fixed just because its some self-control thing. The point is that if a persons ONLY reason for wanting a change is because THEY lack the self-control to use it, that is not a good enough reason to change it. Especially when there are plenty of solid counter arguments for why it's a good thing, despite potential abuse.

This is the crux of the whole issue. It's not such a big deal. People try to rush off to the imblanced PVP aspects but that is pretty wild exaggeration of the issue. This is not an open, competitive esport game or something. It's not League of Legends. People will play in private groups with friends on private servers, and playstyle rules can be agreed upon. If someone is abusing something you don't like, don't play with them.

You'd have a lot better point if this was some uber game breaking thing. But it's not. If you play with someone who abuses it, don't play with them. And again there are good reasons for why these features are good and useful, beyond the possibility to abuse. You are not offering enough reason to remove them based on that.

It's sort of like someone trying to outlaw knives because maybe someone out there will kill someone with one. Despite them being damn useful tools. The possibility of abuse such as that is not in and of itself good enough reason to trump the usefulness of the item.

I agree that you shouldn't be able to attack enemies through walls, ala Terraria. I'm fine with that changing.

But I like the ease of block placement and feel it fits with the sci-fi theme and is just a cool feature. Floating blocks around into place is just cool.

I know I can avoid the temptation to abuse it to help make the game easier. I have a sense of honor or fair play that way. I don't like to cheat, even though I can. If people can't help but cheat, when they can, that is really their own shortcoming.

If the best reason people have to change it is either that they can't stop themselves, or the overblown PVP imbalance concerns.. that is not good enough reason to scrap a very useful and nice innovation to this style of game.

I really wish people would worry a whole lot less about how other people play, whether their play meets your own personal ideals, and get over yourself for the idea that it's your place to dictate that onto everyone else.

It's not. It's not their business. It's not game breaking. It's a sandbox game with consentual PVP elements between friends on private servers. It'll be just fine. Stop trying to play some kind of valiant knight or moral crusader on a product that is not even your own to do so. It's not your business.

 

What's so wrong with having placed blocks in combat take a second or two to actually be put in place?
Why don't people even consider the possibility of a compromise instead of stubbornly supporting their side?

 

^This. nuff said.

Always vote for more quantity in imaginative things to do in the sandbox - not less. I'm going to go box in ALL the monsters now. For fun - and for spite >

 

Why not just give everyone the option to freeze all monster action wherever you go, but also have the option to disable this feature for those that don't want it to?

 

at this point I would just take a breathe and just hope the devs notice the thread. so far its just counter arguments of don't limit how others play it doesn't affect you >_> (side note, it can)

also kinda confused 90% of the counter posts say they don't use this and yet argue against it, its not like anyone said building mechanic should be outright limited or changed. Which leads me to believe most of the ones here arguing for the current system are the ones abusing it.

 

Yes, how DARE someone be against making things needlessly difficult! Kids these days! Hmmph!

Seriously, stop pulling this card every time someone so much as suggests something be easier, or is against making things harder.

 

Because it was shitty in minecraft and shitty in Terraria. Go back to those if you enjoy that so much

 

As opposed to making combat trivial? Are you that delusional?

If you want to make a proper argument you might want to avoid using such poor vocabulary.

 

Guys, why don't we get Sonic the Hedgehog, then remove ALL the ramps and twists, all the enemies and all the environment hazard and lay down the coins each in front of the other so we could just run and grab them all in one go?

Wouldn't that be like, awesome?



/sarcasm