Important BETA RELEASE DISCUSSION - DECEMBER 4TH (*ALL* beta discussion goes here. Other threads deleted)

interesting interview with the lead dev kerbal space program.

he talks about kick starters, problems and programing of his indie game and how to deal with hype.



it my help people to see a developers point of view.

oh and ps how to good PR a game .

 

Hm, you don't really make any sense, chuckle fish hasn't damaged the reputation of kick starter, at least not to my knowledge, are you stating a random opinion, or facts, which you can document and prove?

 

There is difference between SB and Kerbals. Kerbals are released.

 

You are absolutely right, he doesn´t make any sense at all.
I can´t make sense out of anything he posted, because let´s face the facts, there are multiple factors that contribute for Chucklefish not be able to release the beta right now, mostly factors that the developers can´t expect while creating the game, ranging from bugs or other difficulties doing several tasks, this is absolutely normal in the gaming industry.

 

As long as they give a 2 months notice ( with proper reasons of course ) , I honestly don't mind them delaying the release of beta / full release. That said, I'm sure many people wouldn't be too fond of that idea.

 

What if Starbound is a secret alternative energy program? They announce the beta is going to be delayed again, and they have something set up to harness the massive amounts of incoming anger to spin a big rage turbine and finally deliver clean energy to the world.

 

Who would? i mean ,we all want to play this game, difference is, yelling, kicking and screaming, really wont make much of a difference in this matter, this game has sold for -far- more than expected i believe, with nearly 2.000.000 $ its expected they got the funding to improve the game even future, and that takes time, add to the fact that with the hype, and a lot of people want to play the finished game, not the buggy, bug testing which is needed, aka game breaking bug, freezes, save corruption etc, so their forced to prevent a complete rage, to get those hard nuts to be covered.

note i don't know if that's the reason, this is purely my opinion and guess work.

 

Knowing Chucklefish, that might be possible.

 

Plenty of Devs have been tarnishing Kickstarter's rep already, if you want to call it that. Plenty of Crowd-funded projects have died and the money is not returned and that is to be expected. Crowd-funding is allowing the public to do what publishers have been doing for decades: Risking your own money on a project that may or may not pan out.

EDIT: Grammar and Spelling

 

There is no risk to it, in the end you will always be able to get your money back, if there is a reason, like extreme ammount of bugs, missed release dates or promised features that are missing. So, no, it´s no risk-investment in this case, it´s a regular buy that falls under European Law.

And still there is damage to crowd-funding allready, thanks to the ways how it was handled. You can find them in the web. To the other fanboys, it´s fine if you think i make no sense, and really, if you can´t understand your own rights as a costumer, it´s okay. The economy needs always people who just buy stuff and never complains.

 

http://xkcd.com/1013/

 

Not talking about the Starbound case or any particular case, I am just saying that crowd-funding is essentially public publishing. Whatever the law says and whatever money-back guarantees they have for it in Europe is moot. There is still little difference in what you do as a crowdfunder and what a publisher does when they fund a development house besides the risk. Publishers put out more money and harbor more risk if the project fails, Crowd-funders invest less and have more protection, but that's beside the point. Investment is always a gamble.

 

People take their money.

 

Development houses promised THQ they would deliver the product as well. Did it happen? Did THQ get their money back? I am not saying its right, and I am not saying this project is going to fail. What I am saying is that putting money into something before its finished does not guarantee a finished product. That's called an investment or a gamble. Until you are holding the goods in your own hands you are taking a risk. People think that Kickstarter is a preorder business. It's not. Its a middleman, a go between for investors and investees.

 

you may note it has currently gone back up to previous numbers, or rather more as of 14.10.2013 21.45 (CET)
85,809

 

Ahh I see what he was trying to do now, you can cancel a Starbound preorder, gotcha. I am more talking about Kickstarter and Ferigad's comments about how they work. You can't cancel a kickstarter order after the funding period is over.

 

But, With Kickstarter, if you don't meet your projected delivery date, things happen.

For example, you have to provide a detailed explanation, possibly issue refunds, as well as provide accountability for all the money you spent. If your not able to provide refunds, this could end up with you in legal trouble. To this point, Kickstarter is always putting more requirements out to get a project authorized to be funded to prevent abuse/shenanigans.

 

I can't wait any longer! Just inject the code into my veins! I've had drug withdrawl less painful than waiting for this game!

 

Yeah , I know what you mean, I recently stopped smoking (cigarettes) and I can tell you I don't miss nicotine as much as a good update after 3-4 days without one, let alone waiting for the release of the beta .....

 

I've seen people say this a couple of times (maybe it was you the first time?) and I don't know what you mean. I've backed quite a number of kickstarters now, and I don't think any of them have either finished on time or are on track to do so. I have no knowledge of any penalties, nor have I heard of any beyond the couple of times I've read it here.