Avali Nexus 23: Title Pending

It's not run down, it's on a different forum.
We left due to...disagreements with the moderators. I will say nothing more about it.

 

Well it wasn't exactly for no reason. The staff (moderators) basically approached the thread and said that we were causing problems and in their terms becoming an excessive burden to moderation (too much time devoted to moderating nexus stuff).

Ostracized isn't the right term. It was suggested to us that we make our own forum or something similar (like an IRC channel). The discussion around this became a bit heated and it came to something of an ultimatum: if we didn't opt to move offsite, moderation in this thread was going to become more strict and heavy-handed to alleviate recurring issues.

Some more stuff happened (which I don't really care to elaborate on here) and by the end of it, most of the nexus decided they didn't really feel welcome here anymore and that moving offsite was the more desirable option.

That's the gist of it

 

Ostracized:
to exclude, by general consent, from society, friendship, conversation, privileges, etc.

What you explain to me is pretty much what ostracizing stands for...

 

What I mean though is more like, we weren't approached in a manner like the staff wanted us gone.

They basically presented it more like "we have a problem here that needs to be fixed. we suggest you move to your own site because you would be able to set your own rules/standards etc. but if you opt to stay here we're going to have to start cracking down and enforcing our rules more strictly. Normally the clan section is afforded a lot of leniency but that's what has lead to the present situation here so something needs to be done". To put it more simply, it was phrased as a warning that we needed to starting following the rules more closely or there would be consequences, as you'd expect.

In that sense, it was all more of a result of our own actions than a conscious decision to exclude us.

 

Pity, so what you are saying is that the Nexus got a bit spoiled and it scalated thereafter? hmm...

 

In any case what's done is done, and it's probably not worth rehashing the past so much. Everything is settled now.

 

"I used to drive an Overlord, but then I took a shell to the threds"

 

About the paid mods thing, while I'm too lazy to write up an essay about what I think of it, I really do enjoy the backlash. It's hilarious.
r/pcmasterrace has converted to Atheism, r/modpiracy is a thing and Valve lost over a million dollars.

ModderGate?

 

Ehh, $1mil is probably like a penny to them.

 

Considering Valve is financially funded by "microsoft billionaires" a mil is probably a fraction of a dime

 

My pet theory is that it wasn't valve, but Bethesda that cried uncle. Valve has done this gig a dozen times before; had the community blow up over some new feature they later come to appreciate (For all the smack talk about Early access, none of us would be playing Starbound right now if not for it). Bethesda on the other hand has a mod community they direly want to preserve and have worked hard to foster over decades, and havn't seen this kind've thing since the horse armour fiasco in TES4. (Though admittedly after the fuss died down, DLC became a popular and valuable addition to Bethesda's games)

It'd also explain Valve's somewhat ambiguous apology that doesn't rule out them trying the idea again later on another title, they just promsie to leave skyrim alone

 

Indeed... what truly worries me the most is how flammable people reacted to it all, yes it was a huge thunder in the dead of night, but they were being so callous over something thats far from new, it wasnt some half cooked experiment Valve simply threw on a whim, yeah it was horribly executed and much worse timed, (hopefully they learned something out of it) but what really ticks me off is the fact that players who have never made a mod, much less experienced the arduous and ascetistic task of making a decent, working and somewhat stable mod... go around flaming on authors who showed interest in the project... and also go around rising protest signss and symbols like fanatic nazis... cant really blame the talented modders who have opted out to make any further works for that "community"

 

While the modders were mostly faultless, I feel a response this extreme was absolutely necessary.
If the shell of a nut was composed of THE strongest material in the universe, it would be easier to crack than Valve.

It also proves that we can actually stand up to Valve's silly projects - we just need to deplete their ink![DOUBLEPOST=1430486648][/DOUBLEPOST]

But Starbound is one of the worst ways of handling Early Access I have seen so far.

 

I think the extremism that was shown by the community was unnecessary... but no point in beating a dead horse right?
also!
*cough* overgrowth *cough*

 

Well. I think there still needs to be a frank discussion between users and modders. What we just saw was an unacceptable situation where the users dictated the terms to the modders.

This wasn't, and isn't an acceptable situation, to have one party dictating the terms for another party entirely out of self interest. And it's fundamentally shifted the user/modder relationship, from one of mutual respect, to one of domination by the consumers. ("Make me my shit and make it for free, or else I'm going to destroy you")

But this isn't really the place for it since most the folks here wern't involved, or had proper respect for all parties. It's worth noting that now people have quieted down, there is a new movement being made by the modders themselves to reinstate it.

 

Then my utmost respect to you and every modder out there, make yourselves be heard, truthful and justly. And yes, I do agree on that closing this episode is just the talk of fellers who do not feel like bothering themselves with something as volatile as this subject... out of protecting themselves or mere cowardice I dont know.

 

I agree with some of this.

I would agree with all of it if Modders actually got more of what I paid for the mod. I don't want to hand my money to a middleman for someone else's hard work. Hell, if the Avali mod became paid I'd pay $15~ for it, but only if I knew that was all going to you, Ryuujin. It doesn't seem fair to me to mark up prices by 75% and deprive modders of their intended price by doing so. For instance, if I wanted an easily accessible mod to be made and give me $5 for every purchase, I couldn't sell it for just $5 over steam--it'd have to sell it for $20. Then, most likely, less people would buy it, my work benefits less people, and I get less money overall.

TL;DR: I don't want to give VALVE the $15 dollars I should be giving to the mod maker.

 

right it's a new page just posting link to forums for ease-of-access.
http://avalinexus.seraphimlabs.com/forum/index.php

 

75% is a myth unfortunately. It keeps being repeated over and over like a mantra by the anti-workshop crowd, but it's false information.

The split looks like this:

Valve: 25%
Developers: 75%

Of the 75% the developers get, it's up to them to set what percentage goes to the modder. Bethesda opted for 25%, which is the industry standard (Apps on the Apple or Android app store for example get 25%), however, I predict other developers would've been more generous, especially after the initial backlash, hell even Bethesda I foresee raising the split after the feedback they got. Unfortunately we'll never know now.

 

Where did you even get this from?
The split was 30% for Valve, 45 for Bethesda, and 25 for the modders.

Bethesda officially stated this.