Modding Discussion Avali 1.0 Reboot Discussion

kinda, it more of their biology is different from what we understand and hard/unable to survive what we got here(earth-near equator) or any watery planets let alone hot near sun ones without any proper gear/equipment

edit: and the above(previous page) they're just made livable because starbound balancing

 

This is just false lol the avali, i believe, have worse eyesight than the vanilla races and theyre biology, being ammonia based has its pros and cons. Along with other things people hve listed, the Avali are in no way OP or perfect, do your research if you don't wanna be offensive, cos the most offensive things are wildly inaccurate criticisms lol

 

Actually, I distinctly remember getting the same impression early on. When I first sat down to read the wiki to prep for my machinima last year, I got a sense that the Avali were too perfect. I didn't see any significant flaws (eyesight doesn't count because they've got hearing to compensate) aside from stuff like the aforementioned racism (which many people wouldn't consider a flaw). To be fair, I kinda got the sense that that was the result of an overzealous community, rather than Ryujiin's intent. The sue-ish tendancies have been pretty well stamped out by the new material on the Illuminate, but for people who haven't kept abreast of recent developments, I can understand the sentiment.

Also, I wouldn't call their attitude toward humans justified. After all, you wouldn't call it justified to hate the Germans or Japanese for WWII, would you?

Well, that's not a flaw, that's a strategy. They're glass cannons, their strategy is to avoid direct, long-term confrontation in favor of doing a great deal of damage quickly and from a distance. It makes sense--they're not suited to long-term engagements from a biological standpoint--they're small and not very strong, and they have poor endurance. They can't fight for very long before they have to rest, so their combat efficiency will drastically decrease the longer an engagement goes on unless they rotate personnel, in which case there are fewer hands available at any one time.

 

So.... they're like rifle-using scouts?

 

There's also the part where Avalon has, I believe, a fourth of the earths gravity, so they're gonna be pretty weak, they actually can withstand higher pressures than a human, and I'd like to say that they're water soluble cause it's funnier, but really it's just their blood that would boil at liquid water temperatures on earth, and if someone gets properly entrenched in ground combat, in something valuable enough to not just get bombarded from orbit they're in a pretty bad state, although they'd definetly win in a battle of attrition thanks to their drones (wonder how much of that I got completely wrong, probably all of it)

 

In regards to the 'too perfect', as others have said if you look at the in depth lore I don't think you'll find that to be the case. The Avali isn't a single unified nation, the largest unified nation tends a little towards authoritarianism and requires some suppression of their inherent nature as a species, even if living conditions are very very good; while Avali outside of the illuminate, and truer to their nature as a predator can be downright vicious.

I also often hear them quoted as having a really high tech level compared to the other races, and they a sort've wish fulfillment fantasy there; in actual fact the Avali are probably one of the least advanced races in Starbound; their technology is probably only 100 years ahead of our own in most fields - they lack anti-gravity, energy shields, particle weapons, teleportation and all these other sci-fi staples the other races casually toss around like toys.

The difference technologically is the Avali apply their technology evenly throughout society, whereas the other races - as a result of poor writing, fall into the trap the Federation does in Star Trek, where alternative applications of these advanced technologies are ignored or forgotten (Such as using a teleporter to remove foreign bodies and repair tissue damage from a casualty, or using warp fields to tear apart enemy ships)

Finally; and this is a biggy - there are some serious troubles behind the scenes, comparable in scale to the church of Kluex, or Miniknog, that I have always intended to reveal through the story and gameplay itself (A handful of other people do know about it), but for now is being kept off the wiki. Remember the wiki is ostensibly an illuminate information source, there may be an unreliable narrator at work; speaking of which maybe I could touch up the language of the wiki a bit to clarify that.

 

Another question that comes to mind is, what's the Illuminate's policy regarding independent factions? Are they tolerated, or does the Illuminate have a plan to subjugate or destroy them?

 

i guess since some decent time has passed... how is progress, since we haven't seen a second update on progress due to your move.

 

Things take time. Ryuu is probably still in the process of moving or getting used to having moved.

 

Purely hypothetical question:
On a level playing field (Earth Gravity, Regulator Nanites, etc.) who do you think would win in a battle between Team CFVY and a military-oriented pack of, say, five Avali.

(If you don't watch RWBY, don't bother trying to answer this question.)

On a side note, did the Avali achieve intelligence in a similar manner to Corvids?

 

Dunno, probably the avali would win considering CFVY doesn't seem to wear armor and in this hypothetical question the avali just have an infinite supply of power armor and drones.

 

I've never watched CFVY, but reading a quick overview of the team and their skills/powers, they suffer from anime protagonist syndrome, which to say their skills and weapon potency runs on the power of plot. As faceless mooks, the Avali infantry and drone swarms would just be fodder until a named character with an unusual skill-set shows up

Such is the nature of TV tropes. Any kind've sensible X Vs Y comparison is pointless when comparing relatively hard sci-fi characters to cartoon action heroes

 

Aura functions as armor, technically.
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I mean this whole discussion is kind of stupid since one his hard(ish) sci-fi and the other has both magic by any other name AND advanced rule-of-cool tech, and the type of universe both come from are vastly different. It really depends on which universe's physics you follow more. If you somehow meet the two in-between, you can't accurately gague either side's effectiveness.

This basically sums it up. There's no good way to compare the two since the entire laws of reality are completely different for both.
I mean, RWBY is essentially a western-made 3d action anime, the brainchild of Monty Oum (RIP) no less, so of course the whole cast is going to be kinda OP and over the top (and completely awesome). The Avali, on the other hand, were made as an experiment to be as realistic as possible (while still being completely awesome). Neither has quite enough detailed information to compare them at a purely statistical standpoint, either, and as such, any comparison would likely come down to personal preference and interpretation.

 

How about a singular Spess Muhrine vs an Avali squad.
I can already imagine the Exterminatus-proof shoulders laughing off shots.

 

Depends what either are armed with. Less so for the space marine, but most definitely on the Avali.
If the Avali have even one anti armour weapon?
They would probably have a chance, other than that, the space marine has a heavy, HEAVY advantage from all of the lore overpoweredness that a certain Matt Ward has bestowed upon them.
It also depends what kind of space marine it is, from what chapter, and also how much experience you'd be pumping into that one person (Which 1/2 have had at least 50 years of experience.)

 

The wonders of 40K power levels can only be surpassed by Doom Guy, Tom Bombadil, and the like.
Imperial Fists or bust. (Astral Knights would be preferred if they weren't all gone)

I'd imagine a heavy Avali railgun wouldn't have too much trouble making holes in power armor and they could potentially dance out of reach of the superhuman in hulking armor.

 

Wow, Ryuujin answers the question I was kidding about and not the one I actually want answered.

So, let me say it again. Did the Avali achieve intelligence in a similar manner to Corvids?

 

You expect him to completely ignore the main part of the post and only answer the bottom "side note"? Just saying you could have made a better choice of words if that's the part you wanted answered.

 

OK, I now know that for the future.

 

Well, what manner would that be, exactly? As far as I know, nobody knows for sure what prompted corvids (or human ancestors for that matter) to develop intelligence. You can say "selective pressure," but that's so vague as to not actually be useful. I get a sense that scientists think it has something to do with complex social structures, which avali certainly have, but that sets my anthropocentrism alarms jingling.