Modding Discussion Avali 1.0 Reboot Discussion

Looks good, though one thing I would suggest is to add a doorway or two for the lower deck. Just looking at it, I feel like it would be very annoying to have to move all the way to the right and back to the left just to get to the bottom of the ship.

Also [assuming from memory] room wise it looks slightly small. Although that could just be because of how much of the lower-left of the ship is visible. And also because I'm using the Alternate Ship mod, which IMO is a bit too large, especially for a race that's all about being compact.

Oh, one idea I may have in regards to your 'upgrade to fix the ship' plan is to have the full ship sprite at all times, but have the rooms not visible, assuming that they're on a different layer. The ship's external sprite would show damages, but each upgrade would cover up the holes with the rooms.

It's late and I'm tired and I'm just throwing around what's in my head and I have no idea if that's what you're already doing or not.

 

Hey, this is a whole universe. So whatever the idea you may come up with, at least one person, somewhere in this universe, tried it once.
And no, because the more you think, the better it will be.

 

OH. Right, hahaha I forgot about that. Riiiiight. Now I feel like an idiot lol.

 

First off awesome ship design and concept behind getting it working.

Second that cryo-spray/ Avali gardening tool is awesome.

Third and this might be a hard task, idk. Will we have an alternate intro to the other races, and we just so happen to get our fluffy mits on a M.M

 

Hey Ryujiin I've asked a few questions on here before and i've thought of more cos im too impatient to wait lol

That ship design is AWESOME!! at first i saw it and thought it was a gun lol derp, are you making it start at tier 8 because of some sort of technical difficulty or to give some variation to the progression in the game from the normal progression? if so what other changes in progression could be made as a way of refreshing the game for veterans?

You've stated you're adding codexes, which is great, will there be codexes made not only by avali about avali, but also by other races about the avali culture and by avali about other races and their relationships with them? Also i understand you don't want help with design and coding, but are you open to help with writing codexes and item descriptions, to speed up that process and then have them sent to you for editing to cut your workload, or are you planning on doing all that too and just sharing stuff as you do it?

Also wondering if the Avali mannequins mod will be added into the core mod as mannequins seem like a relatively vanilla thing?

Another thing that i think is important is content added by the mod that affects non-Avali characters, i like the idea of playing other races and still experience the Avali as part of the Starbound universe, could there be a Avali shop at the outpost, or at least Avali walking around the outpost like other races that you can interact with, could it be possible to have Avali and non-avali crew members and assign uniforms that work for all of them?

Also in terms of survivability and the fact that the biology of Avali is fairly different from vanilla races could it be made that Avali need cooling EPP's for normal temperature planets higher than lush like ocean, forest and desert planets since they would theoretically be warmer and more tropical than lush and Avali require lower temperatures than normal species, so in turn the cooling EPP would be craftable sooner? Also do they need a heating EPP? are you planning on adding the traits added by Frackin Races into the core mod?

In terms of the ship pet, are you planning on using the drone from the triage thread, a different robot-y pet or a flesh and blood pet?

You've said that once you get all the most important stuff finished you will release this mod to the public, will that also be on the steam workshop and will all subsequent updates be safe for existing characters and worlds?

Lastly i would like to say that this mod adds a standard to race and content mods for this game that is really high, but also you as a mod author set a standard for all mod creators and this inspires me to potentially make my own mods one day, keep up the awesome work

 

Good lord that wall of text

 

@jaymee_murder regarding the Avali ship, it's been said before in this thread that physically the ship will already be Tier 8 size wise, but that much of it will be exposed to vacuum from damage. Tiers will in effect be repairs making sections habitable again.

 

Progression is normalised, as I say while you start with the "biggest ship" ostensibly, with life support out on other decks, the actual accessible space within the ship corresponds to it's tier. It is to all intents and purpose, identical to the other race ships in terms of space at each tier.

That is a good point, I hadn't considering do so but now you bring it up that would be worth doing.

I am not super informed on all of vanilla starbounds content right now (1.0 added a lot and I'm still tripping over new stuff), but if there is vanilla mannequins now I will be adding those.

There will be Avali settlements from which Avali stuff an be obtained and blocks dismantled to learn recipes same way as the other races.

I'll be creating a protocol drone that acts as the ship's pet, yes. It will n

Yes, the mod will be available through Workshop. Naturally I will do my best to ensure all future updates are backwards compatible. It is unlikely the reboot mod will be compatible with the triage however, a fresh start is almost certainly going to be required for current triage users.

 

Guys, we don't have to do ANYTHING for the "uniform problem".
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=743328719
Remove the bloody uniforms entirely.
Poof. Problem solved.
no i haven't tested this but look at the thumbnail

 

Thanks for the reply, some of my questions were a bit unnecessary i guess lol I can see now that really the progression of upgrading the ship is actually very similar to the vanilla races because you unlock each section at a time like as normal, but im still wondering what made you do it this way? (not that i have a problem with it) it almost forces you to aspire to unlock all the tiers, but with the normal system you have the choice of having a smaller ship if you want, it's just a potential problem that if you want to keep your ship at a lower tier you'll have to accept that you'll always have these massive inaccessible parts to your ship.

I think its admirable that you want to go it alone, i get that when a project is important to you, you like to have complete control over it and it makes sense because i personally like the Avali and how you've made it so far, i was just slightly concerned over the amount of work you have to do with all the descriptions and codexes as well as all the other content and how long it would take to complete.

Mannequins were a feature added to 1.0 right at the last minute and there is a add on for the Avali currently that adds one for them, so i was wondering if you'd take that mod and implement it into yours? Another thing that was added was livestock too, so i guess a similar thing i was wondering was if in the future you would add in a form of livestock from Avalon like how you've added crops?

I think a robot pet sounds awesome I think with all the other Avali themed stuff and materials you could have a lot of choices with a drone creatively.

I can't wait for the steam release, i think it makes sense to have to start again anyway.

I do have one more question lol, you said you're changing the color palettes of the Avali based on their gender, will there be any changes to their sprites and animations?

 

I'm definitely eager to see what kind of drone pet Ryuujin comes up with. I may like mine, but let's be honest here, it's little more than an Avali themed placeholder.

 

now...I'm not entirely certain on what all will not be compatable, but you're basicly redoing everything. building tile assets, race assets and even the crafting chains and all that from scratch correct?

I'm actually curious how that will affect existing universe data.

 

The new tiles/removal of old tiles basically means a hard reset of universe files will be needed. Not to mention there are fundamental changes to the species, recipe lists etc. While it might technically be possible to preserve a character sans ship and selectively deleting planet data, I would really really really strongly recommend starting over with a fresh universe and character when the time comes to move from triage to reboot.

 

Have you considered doing multiple color variations of the Avali ship later on after Reboot is launched, like I did with the Avali Logistics Frigate mod?

 

So basicly, reset al non Avali to their ships, and then run about deleting old planet and universe data basicly. ok that's a touch less confusing to my brain. looking forward to this, even though I spent a couple days redoing a base planet, it won't be too hard to rereplicate that when the time comes anyway. I have nothing but time.

 

Well I mean you don't have to go and delete the planets. Just never go back and nothing's going to happen.

 

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it; does anyone care?

(Point is, while it's not NECESSARY to delete the planets you won't revisit, if you don't plan on returning it won't hurt to purge them either. But if you do return to a location with avali structures on it post-update, you will likely crash.)

 

I keep forgetting to ask... will the avali furniture and tent pieces be pixel-printable?

 

Balance wise that doesn't make sense, cos why then would you craft them with normal materials?

 

Welcome back, Ryuujin. For a while I was afraid you'd never return. It's good to see you, and see the Avali getting an overhaul. That ship looks fantastic, though I kinda prefer the vertical design of the alternate ship.