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Astronomical mistakes in Starbound background graphics

Discussion in 'Starbound Discussion' started by Aivean, Sep 29, 2013.

  1. Aivean

    Aivean Aquatic Astronaut

    Watching the latest Tiy's stream on youtube I noticed two mistakes in background graphics.

    1. Stars are rotating in the sky, while planets are in place. Earth is rotating, that's why nightly sky appears to rotate. Planets that are not rotating along with the stars must have geostationary orbit. This moment on youtube.

    2. Background planets lighting is independent from the Sun (the current star). If current star is the main light source in this star system, then all objects (including planets in the sky) must be lightened from the side of the star (and have shadow on the other side).
    Also, during the night you can see other planes are lightened from "upper side". That contradicts the fact that the planet where you reside currently is not lightened from the same side (it's night!). This moment on youtube.
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  2. Video Games

    Video Games Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    Don't forget the wildly misplaced clouds from the outer orbit view.
     
  3. Mad Dok Edvaardz

    Mad Dok Edvaardz Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    Well, it is a game so it doesn't have to be *completely* accurate, but that's just my opinion.
     
  4. Affero

    Affero Contributor

    That there, is a moon actually. But yeah it should also rotate nonetheless.
     
  5. ZanVaelius

    ZanVaelius Existential Complex

    You know, because seeing other planets from the surface is realistic :rofl: (I'm not complaining about that feature, it fall firmly under rule of cool so I'm okay with it, it's just complaining about realism of something otherwise completely unrealistic...)
     
  6. Sousuke Kuroda

    Sousuke Kuroda Spaceman Spiff


    Actually its not too unrealistic, it would be possible to see a planet like that from the surface of the Earth if the planet was large or close enough.

    I draw issue with it nonetheless, its pretty and all but I'm going to mod it out.
     
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  7. Affero

    Affero Contributor

    I think you should read up man :p That's like saying that seeing the moon from earth is unrealistic.

    IN FACT, you can see some of the planets of our solar system with the naked eye at night.

    A source if you don't believe me! :)
     
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  8. Sousuke Kuroda

    Sousuke Kuroda Spaceman Spiff


    To be fair you can't see them with any real detail. :p
     
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  9. Affero

    Affero Contributor

    No but that's just because they're so far away and yada yada, so exactly as you said; if they're the right size and close enough it wouldn't be unrealistic to see them.

    EDIT: Also here's a good example of what Kuroda and I are talking about: http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...her-planets-were-as-close-as-the-moon/277247/

    (In this case the planets are replaced with our moon. But it's only logical that if, say Jupiter were 3 times the size it would be 3 times bigger on the night sky.
     
  10. ZanVaelius

    ZanVaelius Existential Complex

    I concede the point here, gentlemen. It is true that planets this close would be visible to naked eye with detail. My point more referred to the way they are visible in Starbound (which should be a rare occurence at best), but it is my own fault for phrasing it the way I did.
     
  11. Sousuke Kuroda

    Sousuke Kuroda Spaceman Spiff


    I do completely agree with you, and like I said, while pretty, it isn't a feature of the background that I wanna keep in the game (modding hurray), especially now that I've had some inconsistencies pointed out to me.
     
  12. Skarn

    Skarn Existential Complex

    That's true, but at the same time I'm not sure if that would really be possible either. Meaning, those planets have a lot stronger gravitational pull than the moon would. If they were actually that close together wouldn't they be crashing into each other and such?

    Also, I should add that by that scale, many of the planets in Starbound take on a Jupiter-sized space in the sky. >_>
     
  13. Sousuke Kuroda

    Sousuke Kuroda Spaceman Spiff


    I think its the kind of feature that needs to be reworked such that it only really appears on Moons. So you can only see the planet you're orbiting.
     
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  14. Namiwakiru

    Namiwakiru Black Hole Surfer

    This is not an attack or stab at the OP, I like that people are bringing some scientific principal to the game.

    Now that we have that out of the way, It really doesn't bother me either way. If it changes cool, if not, cool.
     
  15. ZanVaelius

    ZanVaelius Existential Complex

    Perhaps a nice toggle would satisfy both sides of the argument:
    -Realistic skies -> You only see the celestial bodies you are orbiting
    -Cool skies -> You see every celestial body in the system.
     
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  16. Milkman

    Milkman Aquatic Astronaut

    I don't think the Starbound Universe has the exact same physics as ours so I can let stuff like this slide
     
  17. ZanVaelius

    ZanVaelius Existential Complex

    Nobody is really arguing against the feature :p We were merely discussing the realism of it :p
     
  18. Rhayn

    Rhayn Scruffy Nerf-Herder

    1. The camera is centred on the ship which is orbiting the planet. The planet is merely moving on its journey around that solar systems star. As such it looks like it is the stars that are moving, when in actuality if you made the camera stationary you would see the ship and planet slide out of view whilst the stars remain in the same place.

    2. The lighting.. yes fair enough.
     
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  19. Zaffirus

    Zaffirus Subatomic Cosmonaut

    is a game,not a space simulator (try Kerbal Space Program if you want that one :up: ).
    complain for things like this dont make any sense (for me),maybe in the universe of starbound 2 plus 2 is equal 5,and things like this can happen.

    i like to imagine it is so,like a fantasy sci-fi.

    ''captain,we're under attack!! is a dragon''
    ''but we are in space!! :eek:''
    ''yes captain...is normal here (i always forget that the captain come from another dimension :facepalm:''.
     
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  20. Aivean

    Aivean Aquatic Astronaut

    Physical laws can be different from our's, but they have to be consistent. I have noticed these two mistakes because they looked very weird for me. For example, when you place a light source in a game, you expect it to lighten the room where you currently are. If occasionally the room appears to be lightened from outside, it can be definitely considered as a bug. So how can the lighting behave differently in this case and the case with planet's lighting?

    I agree with the point that states that this is a minor issue and in basically it's ok if it would not be fixed in the game. But things like this strike the eye and create the impression of crudity.
     
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