Are we too greedy?

I think the confusion comes from your example of "The first examples are these lazy, curt little topics that simply go right out and ask for game play/screenshots/info." Where the very first post says something about a monthly video, and then you follow up with "One video a month isn't asking much, no, and I wouldn't consider you greedy at all for saying so. Cheers!" I am sure it should be obvious why this could be confusing..?

There are a lot of better posts about information on the Open Beta, sending them to a post about how greedy/lazy they are is prob not going to answer their question, and would only give them a negative response to a simple question.

And if they were at that point in development I would agree, that some games take much longer is irrelevant to their own development cycle. If they plan a cycle (and are on schedule'ish') that lasts 1 year, 9 months is a while into it. The rest of this part..Edit: I am just going to remove this response.. why continue the cycle.

Are we too Greedy.. and then you mean that people are just impatient for learning more about the game, and then following it up by saying other things explaining why people are greedy/lazy/annoying for doing these things.. That can be misleading... very misleading.

 

You could define entertainment as a whole as "greedy". Greed or not, it's mostly irrelevant. If you want to get into a discussion about morals, check yourself as to why you're on the forums of a video game that hasn't been release, posting extremely detailed topics about whether we're too greedy.

We're all here for one reason: Starbound. A video game. Video games have one purpose: To entertain people. It's entertainment. We like, and want entertainment. Want being the keyword there. We want it, we want more of it, we keep wanting it because we enjoy it. That could be considered greedy, to an extent, but there's nothing really wrong with that.

 

I guess I have a sort of blind trust in Tiy because I loved Terraria so much. This isn't a "oh they are like the same game!!1!11!", rather it's that I'm sure Tiy would've gone to a team that had similar interests and were also as awesome, so at this point I'm pretty certain the gameplay and all that is going to be something that I will enjoy. Not to mention I already love randomizers to death.
This is one of the reasons why I am torn between seeing more videos/pictures/everything about the things in starbound and trying to ignore it all. I already know I'm going to love playing it.

I'd like to be surprised about the mechanics, etc, but at the same time I can't help but be excited and look at the new doodad in the screen/video/thingy.
I know that compared to the full release there is much more to the game than has been revealed, but I always have the most fun when I know the least about a game as possible. Such as: not knowing that creepers explode until you get too close, once.

As for beta testing, there's the same problem. Although, if it's anything like testing mod compatibility even finding bugs could be fun. I say this because the craziest stuff can happen, imagine what kind of strange organisms the generating system could cough up accidentally, or if you somehow explode into "a million blood particles" spontaneously from something unexpected, but most of the time bugs aren't really something so interesting.

But it could be fun and productive.

What I'm wondering in the end is: how many screenshots, etc would be sufficient keep people from "starving" but still ravenous for Starbound? Are people asking for more because they are impatient, or do you think there is another reason?

Just my thoughts on this, it's two in the morning for me so hopefully this post isn't unintelligible. God, I love that word.

 

Are we reaching that low point of forum honor level that we are now doing meta threads about how people act on the forums?
And people support the OP?

Fans can ask whatever question they like under every circumstances there is,
There is no need to apologize becoming curious about something you are interested about, It's the opposite, the devs

are trying to arouse curiosity around something they develop, which is the natural way of behavior when you're developing a product you're excited to show.

You can even look at the dev-staff posts on these forums and see that they are hungry and excited for more features and MORE like some of the hungriest fan out there,
which is perfectly healthy, I mean, there is nothing bad about this.

TLR There is nothing wrong about people acting this way, no one gets hurt, and if it bothers you, you don't need to open shallow discussions about it and then
say you don't like how other people act.

“People's behavior makes sense if you think about it in terms of their goals, needs, and motives” ~Thomas Mann
"Greedy people in these forums" goal is to join the excite train with the staff,
our need is pure, that one perfect game that you can expect from 7 11 talented fellas,
and I'm sure i already explained the so called motives.

 

Then I'm glad you agree with me! I want to say one more thing. Perhaps some people do want more things to see or something. But all of this is just because of our love for this game. We are eagerly waiting for it, holding breath for each news, each new screen. We just want to know more. And more we know the bigger will our love become. Again that's just my opinion lol. Cheers!

 

While, yes, people are eager, there's no need to waste their time asking for stuff. I mean, they choose what to put out there, and I really don't think anything from what the community says is influential in what they reveal. Also, it's good that the developers spend time here, on the forums, but we shouldn't waste it with begging and naggy posts.

Okay, all you just did in your previous post was negatively criticize my replies when I wasn't even talking to you.
Being rude isn't going to get you on my good side, friend.

 

They have to get the information for what are common questions somewhere to make guides, and sometimes even tutorials, but we have already talked about that part so I won't repeat myself further

Lol now this is funny.. I am glad you can at least identify what the word rude is (Lol see now that was rude), and I am sorry but anyone can comment on anything said on public forums. If you say something so incorrect of course I am more then happy to call you on it. But if you would like a better example of Rude, I would be more then happy to point to most of the post to the people who disagree with ya. Also.. just so you know.. I don't really don't care bout being on any ones good or bad side.. I just think when someone says something as you have, someone needs to speak up for reason.

Edit: Final thought.. I am sorry that other then seeing the error of what you said you have deemed what I said as negatively criticizing, I really do believe that your first post (and as I have responded in future post) as putting down people who just want more information. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with your point, and I hope your negativity will not dissuade others from talking about or asking what they may find interesting. My post may of had a sharper point then I ment, but your "point" I feel (IMO) is one of those that should be shown the error of its ways. Nothin personal against you of course, but whats wrong is just wrong so something needed to be said to point that out.

 

Ok, first off, why are you saying that people have to make guides and tutorials for a game that isn't even out yet. That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Secondly. No, you can't just be rude here. Did you even read the forum rules?
"While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, offensive profanity, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. "

And don't even think about denying that you were rude, because you just admitted it; "(Lol see now that was rude)"
Why do you feel the need to challenge everything I say? Really, why?
You say that I am wrong (not to mention you rudely like to "call me on it") when it isn't a fact. A good amount of people who replied to my original post agreed with me.
It's not like this is an insensible discussion anyway. In the original post, I told you what was bothering me, presented evidence of its existence, and I told you to post what you think, not something totally challenging everything I said; "read my post below, than post what you think"

And lastly, I never said that asking questions or for information was a bad thing. I was talking about asking to an excess. Thus why I used the word "patience" in my closing statement. "I really think the community would be a better place if people were just a bit more patient"

 

Sorry people most this post is off topic.. The bottom is really the only "On Topic" part.. the rest is just responding specifically to Shark.

I wish this was true in more cases, but the Mods have decided to give people the benefit of the doubt in some cases (that is up to them). This is good for you because if they were a bit more stringent on it you would of already most likely of taken action for some of your other posts in this very thread. Quoting rules only when "You" wish them to apply is only hypocritical. If you really think it is a problem other then Minimoding you should just report it and move one.

I could explain specifically why I said this, but really.. really... this is what you want to stick to. Other then saying "No your wrong because of Reason A, or Reason B" you choose to be picky about specific words? Perhaps "Rude" by the definition of the forums is not what I intended, maybe more sarcastic.. Or maybe I was just giving an example of what rude was, not saying that I was being rude to you... I could go on but really.. there is no reason. This all seems just to drag away from the point.

Wow.. umm I didn't say that? This isn't about you, it doesn't really matter who you are. It matters about what you said, responded, and continue even now to say. That is all that matters.. Not you.

And I have responded to some of what they said, I am sure people can see your opinion, and even some may agree. I could say grapes are the best food in the world, and lots can agree with me.. doesn't mean I am right. But to the point of the OP, and what followed, I read what you said bothered you, and explained why I thought you were wrong, and the negative effects it could have. I am sorry you think it challenges everything you said, but the things I responded to what was wrong.. and again I am explaining myself to you when really I just discussed the topic and I have no need/reason to explain.. Just because you didn't like it.. Sorry.

The first examples are these lazy, curt little topics that simply go right out and ask for gameplay/screenshots/info.
Than there's the whole "FAQ" section. While this really isn't a big factor of greed, it is a bit annoying to see all the "Is there going to be this?" or "When will we see that?" topics.
I complained about all those pointless (perhaps postfarming) threads in the feedback forum

No your right.. You did say one time about patience..

To be fair I will say you backpedaled a little bit, but still.. you stick to the point that FAQ should be gone, and that "Most" the posts in there are just useless. Or am I wrong? I mean if that is incorrect let me know, cause I could just be wrong here.


But overall.. this is just degrading into an argument between two people. I have drifted way off topic falling for the bait. I apologize and will move.. back to on Topic

I merely mentioned that "common questions somewhere to make guides, and sometimes even tutorials".. True right now that would prob not make sens, but to get the questions in there Before they are needed will let them be there when they are. I merely ment this to the whole FAQ section, and for a later date when they reach a point when they are starting to make something like this

 

Alright, people here are causing too much trouble, I'm requesting a topic lock.
Sad, though. I just wanted to have a simple discussion without people criticizing every word I say.

 

discussion about you criticizing about how people act, and your straw was other people criticizing you?
I know i'm not supposed to talk like that but, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

 

Alright, I'm done with this thread. I was simply suggesting that the community be a bit more patient, I didn't know everyone would attack me like that.

I'm sorry if the thread offended you.

 

Its irritatingly common on these forums too many people just jump on ideas because they feel like they have to oppose somebody, and do so in the most bullheaded and brick wall manner possible.

I fully agree with you Shark, I enjoy learning about a game AS I PLAY IT and see little point in buying a product you already know every single nuance of information about, which some people DO enjoy for a reason that will be indefinitely lost on me.

in summary, a bit more then half the people who have refuted Shark's ideas in their minds, have gone further than anyone else to prove them.
All he is asking is that you have patience with the developers, and just accept what they do give us and be happy we get anything at all.
rather then making pointless topics along the lines of "please make gameplay videos now" despite the fact that we have already been told we will have a basic gameplay demo once the dev team finishes implementing a couple of features.

so go ahead and keep telling them what you want to see, you won't change when they finish it so they actually have something to show you, which is the real reason for the slow stream of info. making a good game takes longer then a week people.

 

Hmm... this sounds familiar....
http://community.playstarbound.com/...tique-doing-it-right-and-doing-it-wrong.9704/

Looks like someone have criticism issues..

topic-related:
If you enjoy learning about a game AS YOU PLAY IT, then don't read the updates they give us, and you could ignore the questions other people ask about game related stuff...
easy peazy isn't it?

 

Personal attacks, wonderful thanks for proving my point by quoting a post I made on an entirely unrelated subject with the object goal of improving the art section of this forum. please don't even bother responding if you can't think of anything to say back then attacking somebody personally, it doesn't go an inch towards proving your point.

and I sincerely apologize for recommending people follow a method of critiquing art, that is designed to convey both positive and negative information to the artist in question and help everyone improve themselves, really, my bad, wasn't aware improving communities was a bad thing.


EDIT: I'll just leave this here.

answer this for me, why do you need say.... more screenshots of randomly generated monsters? why do you need... more screenshots of characters standing in a base composed of the same blocks the last image was?
they release screenshots as they have content to put in screenshots, like how they release videos when they have content to put in videos, I refer you to my example about the gameplay videos.

 

Yes, we are greedy.
Didn't even have to read the post, but I did and I'll say one thing..
When a developer joins the IRC, they expect and anticipate being bombarded with questions. What else would they join the chat for? Intelligent conversation?

 

you know what? I agree, I don't care, I am greedy.

 

I am sure that there are a lot of people who would to like to know nearly nothing about the game. Just exploring it as you go and learn about all the nuances of the particular systems as they play it. This is a particular play style, and to each their own. And if that was the point I would be more agreeable, but the problem comes when you try to take your play style (either the without or with information) and try to accuse others of bad things because they don't like it the way you do. There will be wiki's and lots of information out there, as well as on here most likely (eventually). I am sure you will avoid those just like you would a FAQ that provides that information, and that's cool (Again.. to each their own), but leave the people a place to at least ask... I know it isn't much to ask, and as long as those sections are properly marked it shouldn't interfere with your play style at all

Some people just want to know what is going on. They log on here looking for things so they can find out more about the game. I am sure some may take it too far, I will give ya that, but a lot of those questions are when will this be revealed or when will we know this for sure. There is really no harm in it, and maybe if there are a lot of specific questions towards one topic the devs when they do release information will know specifically about what they should answer with the information that they have.

I do know things take longer then a week.. heck longer then month(s), and it didn't help them that on the main FAQ for a long time it said Aug for a release date (I looked, and thankfully it is no-longer there). It is not bad to answer questions, if they had answered a bit more (Maybe a "Spokesmen" or something on those lines like Blue did for Redigit for a while) there would of been less requests for a lot of the same thing, and they could continue without missing a step.

Finally, if you were refering to me as.. "Bullheaded", maybe you are right. I am not disputing that I may of gotten a bit more into the conversation then needed, but I stick with my points that I discussed as right. lol

 

I kind of entered this conversation knowing it would be heated . I doused my hat in ice-cold water before I entered this thread. Was a wise decision.

Still I find both sides have merit. Some people are a bit too demanding of the Devs but at the same time I think the Devs know that we really are excited about the prospects of this game.

So long fare well and thanks for all the fish! ( too bad there is no fish icon...oh well)

 

I thank you for being a lot more... reasonable then some of the others on your side of the issue.