Anyone Else Hate the Floran's Personality?

Floransss find your lack of faith disssturbing.

 

I'm beginning to feel like I understand why the florans seem to be angry all the time, think about it.
Your people live in huts, you have no industrial base to speak of, but, when an alien spaceship crashes on your planet
your people repair it, reverse engineer Faster-Than-Light technology from it, and fly into the Great Beyond. Only to be told,
by people who couldn't reverse engineer the wheel, that you're all morons.

At that point, Who wouldn't want to let out all their stabbity urges? Especially if those urges weren't well controlled to begin with.

 

But it's my favorite race...

 

Ignores Floran prisons, lights, pods, and weaponry, and posts that have already alluded to their true nature then posts a blatantly insulting comment claiming to know exactly how they are in a massive generalization.

Shiggy diggy doo.


Not only can they read binary, they can salvage a rundown ship, reverse engineer it, and then hack a human AI for no reason other than because they want to. And they do this by plant whispering.
Their barbaric nature is tied to their desires, rather than their intelligence, they WANT to live in huts and hunt for raw meat, kind of like how even though it had been proven time and time again that it is very unhealthy, humans still enjoy smoking, drinking, drugs and other such activities. often in a very primitive way. Florans outright hate Hylotl guts, and they can still restrain themselves long enough for my Hylotl to go through there and buy large amounts of stuff. they are literally what would happen if you crossed a tribe of cannibal carnivores with Einstein,

 

And the only way to understand Florans is to provide enough of a backstory. I get that. But the backstory in itself shouldn't follow standard human logic; just because humans associate nature with a peaceful environment doesn't mean everyone else does.

Their behaviour needs to have origin. They wouldn't have evolved into a barbaric species if they didn't need it to survive on their home planet. This kind of stuff needs to explained in a "scientific" way, and their homeplanet should hint at it.

 

Yeah, the spiritual plant people at one with nature is already overused (Not to mention somewhat unrealistic to begin with)

Sure, we attribute nature as something of beauty, peace and harmony, which it is, but it's every much as ugly and violent as well.

Plants kill other plants and animals with no moral contemplation of wrong doing, Strangling vines, Venus fly trap, pitcher plants etc
Even the most peaceful looking fields or forests are built on a coexistence of symbiosis, parasitism, cannibalism and competition.

Hell look at what happens when perfectly harmless flora and fauna are introduced in to a foreign environments, they have the propensity to become invasive and violent. And lets be honest, spiritualism is a state of mind and not a biological constant. I say let the Florans have their violent nature, it doesn't mean people have to play as such and that...is the best part.

Can still be one with nature if you wish.....maybe they need a option to turn the lisp off if they want? lol

Well do you consider the proper measure of intelligence to be in the potential?

It took the races how long to create FTL technolongy? (We don't know the date obviously but you get the point from a human perspective lol)
A first generation Floran could possibly learn it in a short time. Sure, to begin with it's just assimilation but when you consider the speed of learning it's only natural that a constant influx of information would eventually result in higher thought and invention.

No I'm not a Floran lover, I play Hylotl, just don't hate em and I'm bored

 

Thats actually a way more interesting side of the debate. While I said, as a personal opinion, that they seem to be of lesser intelligence, or primitive, I also said in a previous post, that they seem to be a young race. Potentially, they might be the most intelligent race out there, but without all the proper lore/backstory, I am just left to observe the current state of the florans. While the refinement of the Hylotl, in my opinion, implies they are an old race, with a rich civilization, this is also just a speculation on my side, based on what bits of info I gather in-game.

What is more, I dont get the feeling that all this debate was part of the game, and that races (all of them), and lore, are just placed to give the player a sense of choice, since its commonplace for modern games to have character generators, customization and all.

Going as deep as thinking of them as spiritual beings or violent primitives, I think is already way above the scope of what, I presume, the OP was asking, or bringing forth for discussion.

Basically its a matter of taste, what character skin do you like best? the one that cant articulate properly and hurls constant threats, or one of the other flavors? I guess they are just not the flavour I like.

 

Anyone foolish enough to use the word 'primitive' without appreciating the irony of their backwardness and ignorance is not a fool I wish to engage in debate with.

That being said, I find your attempt to remove yourself from the hot-seat of this discussion by dismissing the DEVELOPER'S INTENT for the races to have meaning and depth both lazy and cowardly. You have clearly lost your footing in this argument, and now seek to hide behind the shield of 'personal preference', when in actuality it is clear that you... and you are not alone in the matter... simply came into the game with preconceptions about what the characters would be. You were disappointed, and now we're all supposed to feel that your opinions are justified and our interpretations of the races LESS justifiable because... of all things... the DEVELOPERS WHO WROTE THEM AND THEIR BACKGROUND STORIES don't want us to think about them as anything other than interchangeable skinsuits?

For reasons of fairness and balance, with which I disagree, they didn't give the races INNATE bonuses. Somehow, a fish and a robot can drown. Somehow, a robot can STARVE TO DEATH. Somehow a human and a super-technological ape species are equal in strength and speed and maneuverability. This DOES somewhat diminish the full potential of the races, and I will continue to say so until a mod comes along that rectifies the issue, but it by no means INVALIDATES the efforts that have gone into writing the backstory and creating the themes surrounding each race.

Florans are carnivorous, hyper-aggressive hunters. They are an invasive plant-like species who lack intelligence only superficially. Their dialogue so far is played mostly for humor, and I suspect that it may remain as such, but the underlying implication is that they are a HIGHLY INTELLIGENT species who just so happen to respond to most things with violence and aggression first before diplomacy and consideration. Does this make them primitives? Of course not, because the very word primitive is a non-entity... a 'sleight' bestowed by colonial explorers and scientists upon the heads of 'lesser peoples' they found worthy of investigation and experimentation... but not common decency or respect. They are highly intelligent, equally capable of all things as any member of another playable species, and also equally fleshed out in terms of backstory. (Which is to say, very minimally at this present point in time. It's there, and there's plenty there to show how ridiculously off-course your arguments thus far have been, but there's obviously much more to come.)

I'm glad that, in the end, you've decided to simply walk away with what little shred of dignity your 'matter of taste' provides... but you might have been better off to play that card from the beginning before throwing your hat in with the rest of the ignorant sods either attacking the developer or invoking accusations of 'the primitive savage' against a warp-capable species.

 

I read this entire thread and I've come up with a startling conclusion that I've already come up with many many times.

We love to talk about these guys. And it makes me happy.

I love all the races, but the Floran claim a special area in my bloody valvemuscle. I love them. Granted there is very little written about them in terms of history and lore, and having chosen a major other than literature I cannot effectively enter the argument that the Floran are victims of bad writing. I could, but I'd make a fool of myself and I'd rather not go to work feeling like a fool. Anyways, I am digressing. The writers have taken great care in creating races that all differ from one another in some way or form, and in the end they've come up with a young, barely fleshed out plant race that has a fixation for stabbing various blood filled things. And that race is subject to dozens upon dozens of threads of debate which in turn make them a tad more popular in comparison to the other races.

I like the Floran for what they are, and it's not likely I'll stop liking them.

 

I also did not like the idea of them being native cannibals... But their idea of plant life forms kinda makes sense. Take a deeper look at plants and you'd realize they are preeeeeetty aggressive. (Flowers lure, roots invade and uplift etc)
I expected hippies. I got cannibals. I like how its not predictable.

And I agree with,

 

@Flantomas @TheSilentObserver Let's dial it back guys -- there's no reason this thread should have turned into an argument to begin with, right?

 

Well said.

 

I blame myself. I didn't bring a very accepting tone to the discussion.

 

Sorry about that... my 'superiority complex' and 'primitive ape' sensors went off reading through this thread and made me a little bit testy in my response.

Still, I do think I made a reasonable point beneath the irritation... at least on behalf of the Florans.

 

Sssstabb, stab, sstabb... huh, what, I'm sorry I ssspaced there for a second.

(Don't change a thing, they're amazing!)

 

You're alright. At first I didn't like your side of the whole thing, but then I looked deeper into it and found that I favor it a little more. For instance, I would love a deeper story behind the Floran. I could have more material to work with.

Your talent lies in literature. Very lucky.

 

There's no point to make about the Florans other than that they are insufficient. They're a bad anime-level mess of conflicting traits without any rhyme or reason. You tell us they're smart, but you show us otherwise, and that is bad writing. There's just no way around that.

Like every other Starbound race so far, they are "ironic = creative" nonsense. It's what a writer would consider fraudulent.

But I'm tired of my negativity; I should do something constructive about it, and I'll get around to that once I look through their existing lore a bit to see what all we have to work with.

 

Dont wet yourself, fanboy, unless the writer of the lore comes and gives an opinion, it is all subject to interpretation. And that is the way I interpret what the game offers.

Also, you are wrong, from the human perspective, a violence response before diplomacy IS primitive. And no matter what you say, Im not walking away, or backing off of any claims I made, I was just trying to engage a more productive conversation with a forumer who, unlike you, can carry a conversation and exchange ideas without being a total douchebag, like you.

So cool your jets, give your opinion in a civil manner or simply ignore me, as I do not wish to enter a pissing contest with a short di*k, internet tough-guy such as yourself.

 

Florans are awesome. Florans, Glitch and the Novakids seem like the most interesting races lore-wise for me.

I think its great that the Florans aren't just a primitive race with spiritual connections, because that is pretty much what you'd expect of the "noble savage" trope. Instead we have an extremely clever, exploitative and curious race of hunters with a very weak understanding of sentience and morality.

 

Speaking of irony... Do you realize you just did exactly that?