A little perspective about gaming...

I like video games, but when will the gaming community at large stop holding games and their developers/communities for ransom every time someone criticizes or praises a game. Games are at the end of the day a luxury of the first world. That doesn't make them bad, but, it does make them something we should feel far less entitled to than we currently do. There is no moral law or code that says we deserve good games or games completed how/when we like. The world has far more things to offer that are just as enjoyable. Go do them while you wait. If for some reason the game does not come out, or come out how you wanted it to then remember you have only lost the equivalent amount of money of a trip to Mcdonalds for 2-3 maybe 4 people, if you really like the dollar menu. I mean seriously folks, let's remember that video games aren't the beginning or end of our lives, they are a nice part of it that we happen to get to enjoy because we are a small lucky percentage of the world population. Be thankful you can "waste" $15 on "a piece of shit" game at all. Remember that the next time you are upset about the Starbound's progress or because you "really want a refund" or someone is being a total tool on the forums. It is an awesome luxury you and I get to partake in and we need to foster games/devs/communities rather than fill them with vitriol so that maybe the rest of the world can eventually enjoy great games too.

 

I somewhat disagree in the regard that games should be of huge importance.....but instead humanity wastes time, effort and resources on things like wars, political lie campaigns for the politicians to make themselves look good and trick people into voting for them....etc. As far as entitlement goes....well, some of it accompanies any purchase anyone makes....there is a base quality that you expect when you go to the store to buy groceries. I suspect you'd be quite upset if you found the bread you just bought is rotten in the center, or worse if it makes someone in your family sick. So there's nothing wrong with having standards, what is wrong is peoples' attitude regarding these standards.....screaming like misbehaved children, being upset because they are misinformed and are not aware their big issue is long since gone, unrealistic expectations and so on. These are the real problems we face.

Now, as far as Starbound goes, there is absolutely no reason for any backer or SEA buyer to feel anything but extremely happy.....just looking at how the game is evolving and all that is planned to be implemented, not to mention extremely mod friendly. There's only one word that properly describes Starbound and that word is amazing.

 

@DarthTrethon i agree with the first part about screaming missbehaving children...

the only problem i had well there was two was the pr and also the "community battles" between the us that were here and the us that strictly use steam forums...
but as i have been observeing that has come a long ways and its become alot less of a seperate community wich is good... because we are all part of the same community starbound...

aside from the game i agree the mods make it amazing.. and though its slower then some of us would like its still moving forward ...
though i would love to see the vanilla game be as amazing as it will be..

one thing i woudl like to sugguest as it hurt my eyes to read both yours and OPs posts i have had to learn to do this myself..

double space your sentences .. .

it helps alot specialy with the format used here ...
sorry if that bugs you im just sugguesting
helps to get your opinions read better ..

i am terrible with punctuation wich is why i use the "..." to seperate my text i was a cronic wall of text guy before...

but yeah entitlement is somethign we all have ... i will use the mcdonalds example...
when you go to mcdonalds you expect to have food that dosent give you food poisoning your feeling entitled as in alot of the world people eat rotten food or no food at all ....
we arent in that type of situation... yes whiners and trolls get annoying however having a certaint expectation to enjoy your games is not asking too much ...
most of us work hard for that money we dish out ....
now as for the "they are spending our money on other projects" that is irrelavent as what they do with their money is not our concern they are obviously working on the product we put our money down on ...
then you have the "they made blah blah millions on us" same thing nto our concern at least we know that they are well funded to complete our game...

tiys an artist and this is his dream many forget that ...
yeah i know im digressing but its on the same page as this thread...

alot of gamers are spoiled due to the fact that there are so many games on the market expectations are high and many dont know what indie devs have to contend with...
gaining the perspective on what is intailed in programming codeing rendering etc helps people to calm down... sometimes...

but point is compared to sevral moths ago things have settled way down in how unreasonable people have behaved ...
im proud of tiy and the other devs for sticking it out and still working despite all the bs...

but i also would love to see some of that hard work come into the stable branch impatient? entitled? maybe but im patient and still love starbound and also care about the devs and staff ...
and some would say why care about the devs and staff because we as gamers/consumers arent required to care about the devs or staff or anything outside of the product we purchased...
and the reason why is because i support indie devs early access kickstarters etc because indie devs care about us for the most part unlike AAA companys that give two craps about anything but money and the bottom line...
(feel free to disagree or pelt me with tomatos this is simply my opinion)

 

It's a luxury and I should be grateful I can waste my money? Cool.

 

hes saying that the 100s of hours you put into starbound are better then the 2 hours of not being hungry from a sandwich

i think

 

@ravenscroftranch

I can agree with everything you said. I backed for $75 because I want to help the devs, if they so decide to take some of that and use it on another game then I have no problem as long as this one is given the attention it needs and so far I've nothing to complain about, they even plan to support it long after launch. I don't see what the fuss is all about, I'm happy to support these guys because they do good work and deserve to be able to work on these games without having to worry about second jobs and so on. Not to mention I'm extremely happy with the frequent updates. I look forward to seeing all Starbound can be and I may well buy their next game too whenever that is announced and released.

 

The same logic Tiy used. Using time spent as a metric of value has been torn apart numerous times already.

That's not the message I got from OP though. I interpreted it as:

1) We have no right to complain.
2) There are other things to enjoy if you don't like it.
3) $15 isn't that much.
4) Wasting money is a luxury I should be grateful for.
5) Starbound is a great game we should be fostering developers that make these great games.

 

well atlest 4 of those points are right

 

I'm assuming 1,2,3 and 5? Can you provide reasons?

 

1, you do have the right to complain tho dont complain about the game being unfinshed when the game is advertised that way
2, self explanitory, if you dont like it, you can play something else and come back later
3, if your old enough to have a job then you know 15 bucks is nothing
5, developers who make good games should get the praise they deserve, tho who dont should not, kinda self explainatoy again =p

 

1) Fair enough. I was advertised a game that was nearly complete so I think I have some justification for my complaints.

2) True

3) If you are old enough to have a job then you know the value in saving money instead of wasting it.

5) Agreed again, I just wouldn't put CF into this category, at least not yet.

 

i still feel its kinda funny people complain about updates when on the store page it says

it says this on every early access game

besides there are tons of early access games that have awesome dev team working on them
to name a few

Project Zomboid, Dont starve, Broforce, Crypt of the Necrodancer, Nuclear Throne and Starbound ofcorse just to name a few

its anooying having a afew that muddy the waters
atlest they dont force takedown stikes on youtube reviewers lol

 

@DarthTrethon thats one thing very few remember some of the backers put ALOT more then 15$ into this ..
thats why some of the "fanboys" i hate that term because its used as an insult aswell as whiteknights... since when is it a bad thing too be a white knight ...
anyways i digress thats why some of the fans (thats better) are so ... highly defensive? is that a good way to put it... because the people who claim they got ripped off only put a small amount into the pot...
very few who yell about refunds put more i knwo cause i read a majority of the posts about that subject and its always "I SPENT 15 BUCKS FOR NOTHING" ..
yeah it is nothing compared to what they have planned...

@Rainbow Dash only thing is deserveing is a matter of personal opinion such as in another early access game i support i love the game and the devs are super nice but some hate the game and think the devs spend too much tiem adressing the community... wich thats part of what i love about early access is communication with the devs...
but i think your correct about that devs should be praised when they deliver good games ...
also with indie devs the artists should be praised a bit more then in other cases ..why? because they are underapreciated and people forget artists have more feelings ...
frankly code heads can be "F U if you dont like it" where if you insult an artists vision then it hits them harder...

just how i see it from my observations...
indie devs are like you and me aposed to the AAA companys that dont give a crap ..
people arent used to dealing with indie devs they are used to waring it out with the big boys ...

thats why early access is a catch 22 alot would be damned without it but its also putting yourself on the front lines with the customers and frankly we are terrible to deal with ...
and even worse many are literaly children so maturity is limited...

 

The way I see it is art should not be censored, and if the creators want help shaping their vision with the costumers fine, but if they don't they should not have to and should make what they want.

 

Never. You're exacerbating the issue by whining about them. Stop.

There is a moral code about lying though and we're entitled to that which we're promised or that would mean we're being lied to and/or cheated.

That is a bad comparison. I dislike the cheeseburger comparison. Not everyone values their money the same and playing starbound takes up time which is far more valuable than a dollar.

Lots of people get to enjoy video games even third world countries. Granted, most of them have pirated versions of x game, but they get video games too nonetheless.

This is your opinion. I'll be the judge of what my money's worth, not you.

I'm thankful for a crap load in my life and I came from a dark place, but I will not concede to be grateful for lies. From an objective point of view, people have every right to be upset and disgruntled. Starbound promises a lot and delivers less (currently) than what was advertised. Most people bitching and whining generally means that Starbound needs to shape up.

So chill out on the telling everyone to be grateful because it's their opinion of whether or not they are satisfied. Whether they are cheated or not is a different story though.

 

The idea that people aren't allowed to have opinions or concerns because the game was cheap or because we live in the 1st world countries is problematic at best. I'm not a rich person, I've been homeless a number of times, 15 dollars is honestly an amount of money I consider every time I go to purchase anything. Not everyone is all that lucky or fortunate, I'm lucky to have a roof over my head and a halfway decent computer. I bought Starbound because I saw it before the game came out (I followed it for a while but it somehow dropped off my radar until Early Access began). It looked like a great way to spend 15 bucks, and trust me, it was. I've gotten nearly 200 hours out of it. It's only second to Skyrim as the game I've spent the most time on.

Strangely enough, the idea that people should stop complaining because they live in the first world and gaming is a luxury is entitled on it's own. It's the idea that everyone has the same background, the same amount of money, the same hardships and problems. I hate coming off as rude and aggressive, and I know for a fact that I will, intended or not. I'll take that risk for this one. Chill out OP.

 

@Ice_kitten

I fully agree with this, someone who works eight hours a day, five days week in an office and comfortably makes enough to not have to worry about anything will drop $15 and it won't mean anything to them while to someone who works 12+ hours a day every day and barely manages to make ends meet for bills and necessities $15 will mean A LOT and is a meaningful sacrifice(and do not think for one second there aren't people like that that do make some sacrifices for certain games). Myself personally, I am just passionate about gaming and I will go out of my way and try to help developers I respect. So there's a lot of reasons why people feel the way they do about what may seem like a minor investment.

 

well i would like to point out 1 little thing to everyone...
OP never responded since they opened this thread if my thinking is correct i believe we all got baited ...
for one i go back to the OPs statement "theres no moral code or law that says we deserve a good game or completed when/how we want them"..
just an observation.. i dident catch it at first ...
maybe its legit but smells funky if the OP had a point they would discuss it is my outlook on it...
not to mention i dont think theres many.. if any who agree that games shouldent be held to a standard at all because they are a luxery...
atleast from the responces i dont see any who do

 

your perception of money is not my perception of money
plus
i'm not agreed with the fact i'm wasting my money and my time when i'm spending it in a game, cuz it's pleasure like dring a good whiskey
one life one view

 

and at that point you might as well not shower to save on the waterbill lol