[IRC] some more details regarding crafting/printing/dyes/homeworlds etc

So Tiy was chatty again and told us a bit about starbounds progress and what they are changing, adding etc
I am puting the full log in here for those not in IRC at all or just right now so youse can read everything without missing a bit (even when its a useless bit :p) and speculate or whatever.

12:41:57 <@Tiyuri> 700 placeable items now ;D
12:42:01 < Arpege> There's also the factor that if you tried to tell the average American to wear a mask out in public if they were sick, they would go around and
cough on everything in spite.
12:42:03 < plaYer2k> i had =D
12:42:03 <@Tiyuri> added 100 yesterday
12:42:14 < plaYer2k> err .. =D @ all the shiny items
12:42:22 < Benguin> We need placeable mohawks
12:42:30 < Benguin> I'll just have a shelf FULL of them
12:42:35 < Elruflon> uhh what's going on for t'day?
12:42:54 < plaYer2k> i still wan placeable furniture animals ... like cats scractching walls, sleeping, turning around in the place etc :D
12:43:00 < EpsilonEagle256> oh yeah, i just posted up placeable items on the forums
12:43:01 < Arpege> Tiyuri: Are you still going with the 3D printer idea for printing out placeable items?
12:43:02 < plaYer2k> and other animals ofc .. that would be cute :3
12:43:02 < LongChan> Tiyuri: Hmmmm, are you going to make some of them dyable, Tiy?
12:43:03 < EpsilonEagle256> some of, anyway
12:43:15 <@Tiyuri> yeup
12:43:15 < Arpege> That's sweet
12:43:15 <@Tiyuri> to 3d printer
12:43:17 <@Tiyuri> dyable maybe
12:43:19 <@Tiyuri> if we have time
12:43:25 < Elruflon> dyeable objects huh...
12:43:34 <@Tiyuri> paintable :P
12:43:44 < Arpege> You should show off the printing printing out some large items sometime. :) I'm really curious to see the layer-by-layer pixel effect
12:43:44 < plaYer2k> i read that as DIE aswell ... xD
12:43:51 < Arpege> printer printing*
12:43:55 < Elruflon> we should add complex painting systems XD
12:44:09 <@Tiyuri> im not sure we'll be doing the layer by layer effect
12:44:13 <@Tiyuri> because
12:44:18 < LongChan> Even if they are not, that's a TRUCKLOAD of them, wow, my fiancee is going to have a great time, she loves decorating stuff :D
12:44:22 <@Tiyuri> people want to craft many items quicky
12:44:34 < plaYer2k> mh instead of a deeper painting system i would love to see a deeper landing system :D
12:44:45 < Arpege> Couldn't they press spacebar to complete the effect immediately?
12:44:45 < CryoPenguin> Tiy, how many soundtracks are in the game right now?
12:45:04 < Arpege> Or the 'printing' process could be rapidly sped up to take only a second to fully reveal
12:45:04 < CryoPenguin> How about a something+click for quicker stack?
12:45:21 < CryoPenguin> Not soundtracks, but tracks.
12:45:22 <@Tiyuri> it still means not putting it directly into your inventory Arpege
12:45:33 < Elruflon> are the songs made by Keving McLeod?
12:45:33 <@Tiyuri> the issue is also multiple people using the printer at the same time
12:45:34 <@Tiyuri> i suppose what we could do
12:45:37 < Arpege> Oh, true
12:45:38 < Elruflon> Kevin*
12:45:39 <@Tiyuri> is have the printing effect in the gui window
12:45:49 <@Tiyuri> ill give it some thought
12:46:10 <@Tiyuri> george is still bugging me to add space elves
12:46:16 < Arpege> I kind of imagined that when you printe something it would put the thing immediately into your inventory, and the item that appears on screen is
only for show. A graphical effect to show it being built up, then vanishing.
12:46:21 <@Lazerus> curtis schweitzer is the composer of these songs Elruflon
12:46:27 < Arpege> So you didn't have to actually pick it up.
12:46:36 <@Tiyuri> could be that way
12:46:39 <@Tiyuri> but still printing multiple objects at once could be confusing
12:46:50 < Benguin> Lazerus: not solatrus? or are those both the same person?
12:46:55 < Elruflon> are there any available OSTs I could listen to atleast?
12:46:55 <@Tiyuri> i mean youd pick one over the others and just play that, its for effect afterall, thats logical right?
12:47:02 <@Lazerus> they have more than one composer
12:47:13 <@Tiyuri> but then if you run to it with another person, choose to craft a sofa, and you see a .. idk.. banner being printed
12:47:15 <@Tiyuri> might be pretty odd
12:47:31 < CryoPenguin> Hmm, so you plagiarized the actual solar system and stars and black hole's names.
12:47:35 < Elruflon> 3D printing yourself lol
12:47:45 < Arpege> If person A prints a grandfather clock and person B prints a sofa a half-second later, it could cancel out the animation of the clock and
immediately start on the sofa
12:47:59 <@Tiyuri> might be a bit ugly
12:48:06 < plaYer2k> why cancel out? just make a queue
12:48:10 < Elruflon> then try making more printers?
12:48:16 <@Tiyuri> nah i think doing it in the players crafting window is the best bet
12:48:20 <@Tiyuri> if we do it
12:48:33 < LongChan> I'm with Tiy
12:48:35 < Arpege> Oh, that is a good workaround
12:48:35 < EpsilonEagle256> make multiple tests of it and see which looks the best
12:48:40 < Arpege> You only see what you're printing
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12:49:08 <@Tiyuri> the idea is that copper, silver, gold, diamond and some other bits and bobs
12:49:08 < LongChan> That seems to be the most close choice without having to mess with what other people see
12:49:09 < CryoPenguin> Great idea!
12:49:11 <@Tiyuri> all can be crafted into printer ink
12:49:17 < CryoPenguin> Hey, hello, Kelp!
12:49:17 <@Tiyuri> so that those mats never become obsolete
12:49:27 < Kelp> I came in at a good time, hey Cryo.
12:49:33 < Elruflon> so there's like a contrast thing?
12:49:36 < LongChan> Tiyuri: Diamondo Suworodu!
12:49:42 <@Tiyuri> silver = more ink than copper
12:49:42 <@Tiyuri> for example
12:49:47 < CryoPenguin> http://www.playstarbound.com/soundtrack/
12:49:56 < Elruflon> oh I thought they differ colors XD
12:49:57 < CryoPenguin> If you missed that, Kelp.
12:50:02 < Kelp> I know about that, listening to a tad of it atm.
12:50:04 <@Tiyuri> there are 10 special ores
12:50:04 < plaYer2k> when the same printer is used my different people and that should affect each other, then i thing a queue that places all requests and visible
when opening the printer would be the a good solution ... so opening it (Item1: 5 chairs (by playerA), Item2: 3 weapons (by playerB), Item3: 1
helmet (by playerB)) etc
12:50:09 <@Tiyuri> that only appear within their tier
12:50:16 <@Tiyuri> and are used for crafting armor and weapons that belong to that tier
12:50:20 <@Tiyuri> then there are ores that appear in every tier
12:50:22 < Elruflon> then you use gemstones for dyes then?
12:50:25 < Arpege> So 3D printing ink is one of the most valuable resources in the universe, since it allows people in space to construct almost anything they need
12:50:27 <@Tiyuri> and are used for crafting printer ink or have other general uses
12:50:32 < LongChan> Tiyuri: What about adding a very high tier recycler to convert items back into materials? That sounds kind of OP though
12:51:06 <@Tiyuri> I'm tempted to make printer ink the straight up currency
12:51:10 <@Tiyuri> it wouldnt be CALLED printer ink of course
12:51:12 < Arpege> I was just about to suggest that
12:51:17 < Arpege> It's basically 'Scrap' in FTL
12:51:24 <@Tiyuri> but its an interesting idea, in a world where you can print anything
12:51:28 <@Tiyuri> the ink logically becomes the cash
12:51:33 <@Tiyuri> because you trade it for the object
12:51:49 <@Tiyuri> and the object is worth as much ink as you put into it
12:52:13 < LongChan> Tiyuri: That would make sense, economy FTW, also trading with npcs?
12:52:32 < Arpege> I wonder if that would make things you couldn't construct with the ink immensely valuable
12:52:40 < Arpege> I assume it couldn't print out plants or animals
12:52:46 < Elruflon> oh so their is an amount of ink in which you need to print right? For example, a bigger item needs more ink?
12:53:18 <@Tiyuri> ^ right
12:53:24 < EpsilonEagle256> are their gun pieces to collect? jw
12:53:26 <@Tiyuri> sometimes objects need some other small items
12:53:31 <@Tiyuri> like you cant 3d print a candle
12:53:40 <@Tiyuri> but you can 3d print a candleholder and it requires a torch
12:53:45 < Arpege> Bigger doesn't necessarily equal more ink though, right? Gold requires more ink to print out than wood?
12:53:46 <@Tiyuri> to get the object
12:53:51 <@Tiyuri> right
12:53:57 <@Tiyuri> its not straight up size
12:53:58 <@Tiyuri> though size comes into it
12:54:06 <@Tiyuri> essentially, stuff that looks valuable will be valuable
12:54:48 < Elruflon> so ink is player currency rather than real currency?
12:54:52 < LongChan> Tiy, any words on mechs, where and how they will be crafted, etc.?
12:54:52 < Arpege> So the only issue is finding out a good, catchy name for this universal currency that everyone needs to survive in space and alien planets with
12:55:06 <@Tiyuri> well
12:55:12 <@Tiyuri> with 3d printer ink you could easily print money
12:55:13 < plaYer2k> hm suddenly 2 questions come up ... 1) will other items be returnable to printer ink like recycling? 2) homeworlds are stored within the
"universe save" not the "player save" right?
12:55:17 <@Tiyuri> so any other kind of money becomes obsolete
12:55:18 <@Tiyuri> :P
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12:56:27 < LongChan> Oh, plaYer2k pointed out something interesting there, I join that second question
12:56:31 <@Tiyuri> for beta we've shuffled around the whole homeworld/spacestation/ship thing a lot
12:56:47 < Elruflon> so, ink is more of the universal currency now?
12:56:52 <@Tiyuri> we found that whilst a space station was cool, communal, it limited the gameplay somewhat. A space station cant be in two places at once
12:57:02 <@Tiyuri> and youd have to decide where to go together
12:57:04 < Kelp> It still feels weird to me that everywhere has the same currency, though it's a minor detail really.
12:57:07 <@Tiyuri> and there are disagreements
12:57:09 <@Tiyuri> so its lame
12:57:22 < plaYer2k> well in my opinion homeworlds have to be stored within universe save because otherwise if they would be stored within players, when joining
other servers where player have the same homeworlds it would conflict
12:57:24 < Kelp> Though I suppose I could think of it as "Print the ink into the currency" through trade. ;)
12:57:32 <@Tiyuri> we decided to replace the station by giving each player their own ship (which is much harder code wise btw :P, but we did it)
12:57:33 < plaYer2k> so the easy universe saved solution is, first comes first serves
12:57:39 <@Tiyuri> and allowing players to invite players onto their ship
12:57:46 <@Tiyuri> so you can still have the communal thing going on if you want to
12:57:57 <@Tiyuri> the station has been moved to an asteroid
12:58:05 <@Tiyuri> it sits on a big asteroid, that's pretty empty and free from monsters
12:58:11 <@Tiyuri> the asteroid might end up being an infinite world, not sure yet
12:58:21 <@Tiyuri> but the idea is that its ready to be shaped by the whole server
12:58:29 <@Tiyuri> its also a place where you cant be harmed and pvp is disabled
12:58:30 < Elruflon> but can you mine through the asteroid?
12:58:32 <@Tiyuri> a meeting grounds
12:58:40 <@Tiyuri> creative mode built into the server
12:59:02 <@mollygos> only if you're bruce willis, Elruflon
12:59:08 < Elruflon> XD
12:59:09 < Koli> :o
12:59:15 <@Lazerus> dont wanna close my eyes....

13:53:48 < Combine_Kegan> Doing good. Made a quick suggestion thread
13:54:12 < Combine_Kegan> regarding ammo counters
13:54:48 <@Tiyuri> there are going to be no ammo counters
13:54:52 <@Tiyuri> guns are going to use energy
13:54:57 <@Tiyuri> the ammo counters are temporary
13:55:05 < Combine_Kegan> Woah, you mean ALL guns are going to use battery?
13:55:11 <@Tiyuri> yup
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13:55:12 < Combine_Kegan> Well then
13:55:20 < NewLiar> Will they reload then, or just slowly regen energy?
13:55:32 < Combine_Kegan> Wait even like
13:55:32 < Elruflon> then it's like Mass Effect 1 with all the decisions
13:55:40 < Prismaa> Tiyuri did you read what i said about underwater base building?
13:55:51 <@Tiyuri> It means you need to build around the way you want to play
13:55:56 < mq521> What is like ME1
13:55:59 <@Tiyuri> i.e. if you want to be a gun dude, you need armor that boosts energy
13:56:06 <@Tiyuri> and as such, isnt quite as strong

And that ended the informative part already :3


My personal conclusion is that the game is overall in a state with at least 1-2 months away from a playable release but the features are shaping more and more.

But dont forget what got said is always subject of change and can be altered for the final game and some parts (even unlikely) may get removed/replaced completely.

EDIT:
Okay since some seem to think people were "spamming" the channel when Tiy spoke i have to say that that was not true. I only took that part out of the log because only that contained valuable informations for this thread. Yet the chat was pretty alive before Tiy said something so no "we" didnt start chatting just the moment he said something. Chat activity rose by maybe 20-30% as usualy but the heat actually cooled down quite rapidly.
I hope that helps understanding the circumstances of that given log.

 

Woah thanks for this! Really interesting

 

Thanks for sharing this man!
Lots of cool new info.

 

Amazing, 3D printers~

Thanks for the information.
Wow, i should really start joining IRCs..

 

*cough*equivalentexchange*cough*

 

True whenever any Dev is releasing informations about the game people want to know more ... but it also cools down reeeeaaallly quickly

Also i hate reading through old logs and all my typos like "my" instead of "by" or "thing" instead of "think" ... UHHH brain y u hate me so much xD

 

Meh, so I log out of IRC again and then Tiy starts talking. I think he hates me

 

I thought so! *cries*

 

Nah you just have the same bad luck/timing that I do

 

Lot of neat info, too bad about the space station though. I have zero interest in ever playing with other people, so I was hoping to keep the space station as a huge mobile personal base, rather than a stationary meetup point. I have to say though, if that's what you're going with, please don't make the asteroid size infinite. Just doesn't make sense.

Also,

12:46:10 <@Tiyuri> george is still bugging me to add space elves

Dammit George, save it for post release! Feature creep bad!

 

Yeah!!! I always wanted my own spacecraft!

 

Oh wow.
1) "There'll be NO hunger" = optional (fortunately, but I really began to enjoy survival features after playing Minecraft) hunger and temperature.
2) "The space station will be your main base" = No, it's the ship.
Fuel for the ship, Every gun using energy, 3D-printing items... Actually, I don't get this - is it like fast crafting of complicated items or the only way to craft stuff?
What's next? Durability? XP? Line of Sight? Not that i have anything against those (except durability - I don't like when my stuff breaks permanently), but... yeah.

 

Ugh, elves.

I always hated elves, they're such huge snobs in just about every game and franchise.
Everything the do always HAS to be superior to every other race, they always HAVE to live in the most pristine paradise the world has to offer, and they always HAVE to win EVERYTHING.
They have no weaknesses, they just use their agility and speed and stuff, and boom. Even the strongest enemy is down without a fight.

Oh yeah, and they're often IMMORTAL.

Elves are godmodding in a nutshell, and I hate them for it.

On the other hand, this is Starbound we're talking about.
If elves were to act the EXACT OPPOSITE, I would laugh my head off, and forgive them instantly.

 

Well the fuel is simply a resource your ship requires to travel long distances through the universe so you dont jump from planet to planet, so it kinda forces you a bit to explore a solar system you jumped into.

Energy and weapons are quite simple aswell. You may have notices the green energy bar below the players red health bar. Energy is consumed for ranged weapons but regenerates aswell over time. The belance between melee and ranged is done through selecting the right "techs" (take them as modular skill upgrades) and selecting the right armor. You can either select armor that increases your energy pool and regeneration (ranged build) or armors that increase your damage reduction (melee build) or mix them a bit. This allows you to find your own style but also balances the game.

The 3D printer are just a way how "crafting" should work. As far as i got it right now, instead of what terraria did by requiring tiles (workbench, table, anvil) you simpy have a few blueprints and a printer then add the required ores into the printer and it crafts your item.

Durability and XP wont be ingame and that got said several times already

 

We need viking elves.

Viking. Elves.

Get on that, devs.

 

Yeah, as well as "The Following has been stated as NOT being in the game".

Just like it was said about hunger bar some time before it was introduced.

 

I like it! But I do think there should still be other space stations to discover around the universe. A sci-fi universe without any space stations seems strange.

 

Along with: "don't take everything in this list as 100% accurate"

 

Huh...That seems odd. Having your awesome space station, be in space seems much cooler than it just sitting on an asteroid.

 

Being a d&d 3.5e player, I was under the impression that elves were MADE OF PAPER. In fact, it's better (assuming you start at an early level) to be a dwarf wizard than an elf wizard, for terms of minimizing your chance to end up shredded (They're paper remember) and without the chance to even gain more levels.

But yeah they're snobby and usually racist. Don't like them. Kill and burn.